It's a good trigger. It is a closed trigger design, however, unlike the original m70 trigger. I don't think there's really anything wrong, it is just that the original was so good. An open trigger design certainly has its merits.
I have had one MOA trigger that was easily adjustable to the 2 1/2 pound break range. All I did with it was scrape off the sealing junk on the front of the trigger and move the adjustment screw.
Others have had to have a spring from Ernie's installed to get it to the acceptable range. Not a big deal but certainly much more difficult than the original Model 70 trigger.
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BACO took the world's best hunting rifle trigger (pre-'64 and New Haven M 70) and unnecessarily complicated it. "An ingenious solution to a nonexistent problem" as the pundits have said.
I have two pre-64 and two New Haven model 70's. I like the triggers just fine. I have worked on a dozen BACO rifles and like those triggers fine too. GD
I'm in agreement with South Texas with this one. It's so easy to put an Ernie spring in a moa and have a very good feeling trigger, with a crisp, smooth 2.5 pound pull. I pride myself in being able to fine tune the old style trigger to almost perfection, but have shot pre 64's and bacos side by side and the bacos just feel better. They are designed with a mechanical advantage, that just makes them feel crisper, with less creep. I laugh my azz off when some stupid sob says they are replacing the moa with a timney, because that is a lateral move and waste of hard earned money. You gain nothing. However, with this being said, I still prefer the simplicity and reliability of the old trigger...
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
The open trigger design is one of the best trigger designs out there. If properly worked over by a Gene Simmilion or a gunsmith of similar talents, you would be a fool to replace it with an aftermarket product. Dakota triggers are a good place start if you want something to compare against. The pins can all be replaced and the triggers honed to eliminate creep.
I'm in agreement with South Texas with this one. It's so easy to put an Ernie spring in a moa and have a very good feeling trigger, with a crisp, smooth 2.5 pound pull. I pride myself in being able to fine tune the old style trigger to almost perfection, but have shot pre 64's and bacos side by side and the bacos just feel better. They are designed with a mechanical advantage, that just makes them feel crisper, with less creep. I laugh my azz off when some stupid sob says they are replacing the moa with a timney, because that is a lateral move and waste of hard earned money. You gain nothing. However, with this being said, I still prefer the simplicity and reliability of the old trigger...
Couldn’t agree more. I love the older triggers but the MOAs I’ve swapped spring on were very good as well.
I'm a fan of the original M70 trigger, I like the open design. However, I've found the MOA trigger to be very good with the Ernie's Spring Kit. I've done two. My current M70 EW 300 WSM has its trigger done at 2.5 lbs, and is "crisper" than any open trigger M70 I've had, and I've had dozens.
At the end of the day, the 3 position safety on the shroud of the M70 helps keep most of the debris out of the trigger area of the M70, unlike the M700 whose safety slot is a direct pipeline for water and debris into the trigger housing.
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I purchased a new M 70 Extreme Weather last spring. The MOA trigger right out of the box was great. Predictable & easy to squeeze off. A friend who also purchased a new Extreme Weather at the same time replaced his MOA with a new Timney . It was a simple drop in replacement which any one should be able to handle. I consider the new MOA trigger more complex but superior as to adjustability compared to my Pre 64 models.
I purchased a new M 70 Extreme Weather last spring. The MOA trigger right out of the box was great. Predictable & easy to squeeze off. A friend who also purchased a new Extreme Weather at the same time replaced his MOA with a new Timney . It was a simple drop in replacement which any one should be able to handle.
Hmmm. If the MOA was so great, why did he replace it???
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I consider the new MOA trigger more complex but superior as to adjustability compared to my Pre 64 models.
Pffft... Until, like the video above, that wonderful (and complex) POS MOA trigger fails in the field... Hope the shooter brought a spare rifle, just in case... While the original trigger can be stripped, cleaned and back in business inside of about five minutes... ' YMMV..
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I purchased a new M 70 Extreme Weather last spring. The MOA trigger right out of the box was great. Predictable & easy to squeeze off. A friend who also purchased a new Extreme Weather at the same time replaced his MOA with a new Timney . It was a simple drop in replacement which any one should be able to handle. I consider the new MOA trigger more complex but superior as to adjustability compared to my Pre 64 models.
Was there a reason your friend replaced his trigger? Also have you installed an ernie spring in yours yet? Do that and then do a side by side comparison of the MOA and Timney. Like I said in my earlier post, it's a "lateral" move. You aren't gaining anything by going with a Timney. Its still a box trigger. However, if he was having some sort of issue with his MOA, maybe he should have contacted Winchester, I mean Browning..
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
Gus's moa trigger doesnt do well in the conditions around Koyuk, Alaska. I dont think a spring replacement will cure this.
Classic fkn box trigger with a catchy name: collect rust, grime and debris:
The funny thing is you don't know whether it's a MOA trigger or old tried and true. In his comment, he said he fixed it by "brushing the rust and dirt off". This could be a classic and probably is based off the bolt shroud. The video is such that there are no other clues pointing to what era of model 70 it is, but I'd bet its not a BACO. Its also in a Hogue rubberized stock. It is more likely someone would do that to a classic vs. an Extreme weather. It probably had a POS duratouch stock on it that got gummy and those were classic model 70's. However, if that's all it took to fix the issue, it is more likely an oldstyle trigger. Like Lee said, they are simple to fix in the field. About a 5 minute job. With a MOA, you'd be more chidt out of luck and all the wire brushing in the world isn't going to fix an issue like being rusted up inside.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.