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I miss ken, I’d trade stoolhead for him anyway.
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I had many visits with Ken... first at the hospital here where he was airlifted, then at the nursing home, then a few times a year at his house where I'd drive 4 hours and arrive in the afternoon, visit till late at night, crash in a back room, visit a bit in the morning and head out early.
Socially we had a lot in common, Welch/Cherokee, grew up in what I call 'dirt', no city streets to play in... dirt, fields, groves.
A chitload we didn't share... I'm much more a hunter, I've shot 10s of thousands of rounds, reload and such, but to hunt. I don't shoot for fun or competition, not even at the gatherings I help put on. And any technical interests I have is archery. I've never read an article, or book or anything gun related by Ken or any other 'gun writer' ever.
I didn't know Ken from Adam when I first met him and he laughed when I told him that as he was introduced as a famous gun writer. I just knew there was an old man that was in a bad place, alone and far from home with no friendly face or someone to advocate for him against the uncaring nursing home world.
When finally leaving the nursing home Ken insisted I take one of his few remaining Blue books which he signed. I did because it made him happy. One of our former members here came to visit Ken at the nursing home before she went into the marines, I had dinner with her later and she is an upstanding person. When she graduated the marines I gave her Ken's book as a gift, she would appreciate it as she had mentioned wanting one. So the circle of life goes.
Ken was frustrated with me about my belief in Christ's life example plus the Holy Spirit as my link to God... and my disbelief of man's religion and Paul's speaking for Christ. I know at times he was really frustrated but never did he get disrespectful even in debate. I think he was honestly confused that others would be offended when he put forth his understanding of the bible and religion. As with me he would listen then disagree on a point, I would listen and disagree on a point, he would counter as would I. In the end we would understand each other better, still not agree totally but have a better respect for the other's view and smile it away.
Ken said that's how debate should be and why do folks get upset with me for stating my truth and debating.
Because lots of folks get offended at the first negative word and can't rationalize the discussion.
Early on I was listening to Ken, now he was late 70s early 80s, had a stroke years earlier, couldn't swallow so could only talk a sentence or so before spitting and clearing his throat, everyone who has visited with him knows this immediately... Now I'm a good listener but one time he stopped at a point I thought he wanted a response so I started to talk. He held up his hand and wheezed 'let me finish' frustrated like.
Now if I was a self-absorbed kind of person that as soon as someone starts a story, I think of a similar one of my own and break in before the first person is finished... I'd be offended if I was told to hold on and let me finish. I know a bunch of people like that and they irk the chit out of me.
Sitting there I could see Ken's frustration wasn't at me for interrupting, it was at himself and his condition where he couldn't communicate the way he wanted to. As soon as he finished his point he would wait for my response, listen and re'respond or not.
He told me once he wished it was like the indian tribe method of the talking stick... the one holding the stick talked then passed it on when done so the next person could talk.
His frustration of communication was evident, he was truly sad folks were so offended by it, he considered it his fault.
Anyone offended over the mannerisms and speech limitations of and 80 year old stroke ridden man who just wants to still have human contact. be relevent and intelligent interaction until they die is self absorbed.
Complaining about it on the internet is childish.
Kent I remember welll the dinner the night he got out of the rest home. A few of us know that you and a couple of others saved his life and gave him a few more years. I also know the tragedy in your own life. You may have some issues with religion, so do i by the way, formalized religion anyway, but you are one of the few people that i have ran into that "walks the walk" that has done so much for people without looking for credit. and you make the finest kind fried fish in the world.
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I had many visits with Ken... first at the hospital here where he was airlifted, then at the nursing home, then a few times a year at his house where I'd drive 4 hours and arrive in the afternoon, visit till late at night, crash in a back room, visit a bit in the morning and head out early.
Socially we had a lot in common, Welch/Cherokee, grew up in what I call 'dirt', no city streets to play in... dirt, fields, groves.
A chitload we didn't share... I'm much more a hunter, I've shot 10s of thousands of rounds, reload and such, but to hunt. I don't shoot for fun or competition, not even at the gatherings I help put on. And any technical interests I have is archery. I've never read an article, or book or anything gun related by Ken or any other 'gun writer' ever.
I didn't know Ken from Adam when I first met him and he laughed when I told him that as he was introduced as a famous gun writer. I just knew there was an old man that was in a bad place, alone and far from home with no friendly face or someone to advocate for him against the uncaring nursing home world.
When finally leaving the nursing home Ken insisted I take one of his few remaining Blue books which he signed. I did because it made him happy. One of our former members here came to visit Ken at the nursing home before she went into the marines, I had dinner with her later and she is an upstanding person. When she graduated the marines I gave her Ken's book as a gift, she would appreciate it as she had mentioned wanting one. So the circle of life goes.
Ken was frustrated with me about my belief in Christ's life example plus the Holy Spirit as my link to God... and my disbelief of man's religion and Paul's speaking for Christ. I know at times he was really frustrated but never did he get disrespectful even in debate. I think he was honestly confused that others would be offended when he put forth his understanding of the bible and religion. As with me he would listen then disagree on a point, I would listen and disagree on a point, he would counter as would I. In the end we would understand each other better, still not agree totally but have a better respect for the other's view and smile it away.
Ken said that's how debate should be and why do folks get upset with me for stating my truth and debating.
Because lots of folks get offended at the first negative word and can't rationalize the discussion.
Early on I was listening to Ken, now he was late 70s early 80s, had a stroke years earlier, couldn't swallow so could only talk a sentence or so before spitting and clearing his throat, everyone who has visited with him knows this immediately... Now I'm a good listener but one time he stopped at a point I thought he wanted a response so I started to talk. He held up his hand and wheezed 'let me finish' frustrated like.
Now if I was a self-absorbed kind of person that as soon as someone starts a story, I think of a similar one of my own and break in before the first person is finished... I'd be offended if I was told to hold on and let me finish. I know a bunch of people like that and they irk the chit out of me.
Sitting there I could see Ken's frustration wasn't at me for interrupting, it was at himself and his condition where he couldn't communicate the way he wanted to. As soon as he finished his point he would wait for my response, listen and re'respond or not.
He told me once he wished it was like the indian tribe method of the talking stick... the one holding the stick talked then passed it on when done so the next person could talk.
His frustration of communication was evident, he was truly sad folks were so offended by it, he considered it his fault.
Anyone offended over the mannerisms and speech limitations of and 80 year old stroke ridden man who just wants to still have human contact. be relevent and intelligent interaction until they die is self absorbed.
Complaining about it on the internet is childish.
Kent That’s much too good a post for this crappy thread, Amigo. That might be the best Campfire post EVER......
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
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It actually bothered Ken that he may have offended someone... me I don't give a chit, if I offended someone... good...
Kent i probably shouldnt even post this, but you are one of the few people whose opinion i value.
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When I was married my ex and I detoured on the way back from Phoenix to go visit Ken at Quemado. Stayed the night.
Ken was a considerate and gracious host, entertained us to the best of his ability.
We understood he was elderly and made allowances for that.
So I have no ill to speak of the man, even were he yet walking among us.
Honi soit qui mal y pense.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
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Yes or no what? Wtf is wrong with you? Nothing, There's another lie.
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never met Dr Howell personally but one of the first posts i made here was about a personal betrayal and had no one to talk to about. Ken went well out of his way to counsel me and was the means of restoring the relationship that was almost destroyed.
anybody can post crap about someone but most of it is sour grapes. only a Shist heel would dump on a dead man
the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded. Robert E Lee
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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I'm still wondering why Steelhead would start a thread about a deceased fellow and another that no longer even posts here.
The other thread is even more bizarre.
“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
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Differing opinions is not hate.
That's just silly.
Dude, really let's look as these a little more honestly, I think we can say there is a LOT of hate here. You, however, aren't one of the big contributors in that regard. You generally have more interesting, if less entertaining, things to say. Unless your single intent is to troll, it is very foolish to run around and point out "hatred" and "hypocrisy". Unless you are deluded enough to believe you occupy the moral....or any high ground. Or maybe have short and long term memory loss.
I am MAGA.
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Ken was one of the bona fide good guys here. 'Never said he was perfect. Heck, none of us are.Steelhead's post-mortem attack was the ultimate display of what a gutless bastard he really is.
molɔ̀ːn labé skýla
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One thing you can say about Still(givin)head is bringing out the worst in people. That's what evil does.
Be Polite , Be Professional , but have a plan to kill everybody you meet
-General James Mattis United States Marine Corps
Nothing is darker than a mau mau's moo moo.
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I reckon safarman will soon be a saint.
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I may very well be way off in my understanding but I believe the point of the original post that started this train wreck of a thread was more about certain living Campfire members than a particular deceased one.
Why anyone would just out of the blue all of sudden decide they needed to start a thread topic with a quote from a personal PM of this nature from another member I haven't the slightest idea but it does seem more than a little bizarre...
As always, YMMV...
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Practicing for April fools day.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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e: Beater Shotgun [Re: Tom264]
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Campfire Oracle
Originally Posted by Tom264
Whatever you get make sure it has a short barrel..
That way you don’t have to pull the trigger with your big toe....
I guess that's how flipper has to shoot one
Last post from steelhead at 1019 last night on shotgun forum
Outta the blue........
Going after another members handicapped child born with a birth defect
Dude is mentally ill............
Some need to stop making excuses and explanations for him
Just cause he is an "Old timer" on here.
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e: Beater Shotgun [Re: Tom264]
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Campfire Oracle
Originally Posted by Tom264
Whatever you get make sure it has a short barrel..
That way you don’t have to pull the trigger with your big toe....
I guess that's how flipper has to shoot one
Last post from steelhead at 1019 last night on shotgun forum
Outta the blue........
Going after another members handicapped child born with a birth defect
Dude is mentally ill............
Some need to stop making excuses and explanations for him
Just cause he is an "Old timer" on here.
It's incomprehensible that somebody would type that about a child that can't help how he was born. It's incomprehensible that Bart would defend that and other things he's done.
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Bart is cut from the same cloth.
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Say what you will about Steelhead and the incomprehensibility of this thread one thing is for sure. He wanted to demonstrate how eager many around here are to dance, and that has been made manifest as clearly as it can be.
Just ignore. For those of you who express “how nice the campfire could be if” get off this zoo of a board and go into the other areas where generally speaking things are great.
Politics clearly brings out the worst in people and we see that he on a minute by minute basis. If it were more than just entertainment to me I’d set it aside. Bitching would just add to the problem.
YMMV...
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He wanted to be an azzhole. That’s about it.
A separate political forum for the constant barrage of cut n paste bullschit would be nice. Other than that, I still like the Fire. Lots of good folks here.
“Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”
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