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I would prefer we invest money in making the school safe by other means than counting on armed teachers.
that said, I'm surprised there are so many strong 2A people saying a teacher shouldn't carry a weapon.
I'd rather hear about a teacher shooting it out with an armed intruder than one getting shot hiding in a closet.
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I think if they want to, they should be able to. That will weed out the snowflakes. Train the remainder.
P This. Rigorous psych evaluation and background check then scenario based training.
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"Teachers? gemme a break. How many school teachers do you guys know?"
I know a lot of teachers. Many of these teachers have concealed handgun permits and practice shooting regularly, probably more than a lot of cops do. I have no use for you socialist SOB's who believe that a law abiding citizen doesn't have the right to self defense unless they meet some government mandated standards. Most teachers today are Mothers and every Mother I've ever known would give their lives to protect their children. All the teachers I know (men and women) said they would give their lives if necessary to protect their students. I would rather them not have to give their lives while trying to protect their students. I have 5 Grandkids in school they would be much safer if some of the teachers and school staff were armed.
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Myself and one of our custodians both have LE experience, We have one teacher with combat experience in the gulf, and another with 8 years of army experience, as well as a licensed bail bondsman that teaches.
We would all be willing and able
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Why not, schools are about the only place there are not armed guards..
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Most school shooters are using AR type rifles. A 9mm is no match for that. If shooters know that a teacher might have a concealed gun, guess who gets shot first.. Same argument could be made against police carrying handguns. It will just cause murderers to shoot them first. Why aren't we disarming our police forces based on this line of reasoning? I'm not saying to disarm anyone but it's still a handgun against a high capacity rifle. A rifle isn't that concealable and even a small amount of security should be able to reveal one. Most schools have no security at all and anyone can just walk in with one in a pack.
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I would prefer we invest money in making the school safe by other means than counting on armed teachers.
that said, I'm surprised there are so many strong 2A people saying a teacher shouldn't carry a weapon.
I'd rather hear about a teacher shooting it out with an armed intruder than one getting shot hiding in a closet. I'm surprised too. An armed teacher may not be able to stop an armed intruder but it sure does increase the odds that she will be able to if she's armed.
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Yeah. But imagine that I could have a handgun with a baker ballistic shield and the students knew that that was coming.
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Arm teachers??? So they can do exactly what??? Let's try bringing back ass whoopins first....respect for the flag and mandatory pledge of allegiance at the beginning of the school day....turning off electronics (cell phones, I pods, etc.) we never had these mass school shootings back before the hard core socialists took over the education system and started turning our young men and women into what we used to call sociopaths by condoning and even encouraging what was once called abhorrent behavior.... "To do exactly what?" To Stop some [bleep] from killing more kids is what. Apparently you think its better for the teacher to fling themselves in front of them to stop the bullets with their body. If I had a kid in school I would want every teacher armed. I would guess every one of them would give their life to protect their students. I would rather they live and sacrifice the bad guys life to protect their students. Expecting society to change from the moral downward spiral it has been on over the past 50 years in time to stop the next tragedy is the wrong course.I agree we need to reverse the spiral but other measure need to be taken as we turn. I guess I wasn't really clear enough....I have no problem with teachers who would like to arm themselves....but why on earth are we allowing the schools to keep nurturing an environment where kids feel empowered to do this schitt???
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I have no problem with arming school teachers, so long as they voluntarily agree to be armed and properly trained; this training should be based on police training and include safe handling, marksmanship, legal issues, when to shoot and when not to shoot, etc.
One issue I can see is if a shooting starts, kids will flee and the halls will be crowded making a god shot difficult or impossible. Of course, the teachers would have to be held legally responsible for their actions, just as any legally armed civilian is.
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I read where a survivor of the Columbine shooting is a Colorado state legislator. He wants teachers armed.
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Its not necessary to harden the schools enough to defeat every threat only enough to place doubt in the mind of perspective shooter as to weather a school is soft enough to allow his rampage to be successful. Even if a shooter decides to proceed with his plan, he will have to think about a possible armed opponent in every room. That certainly will complicate the shooters planning. Anything that slows the attack, gives responders more time to arrive and intercede.
If armed teachers or other plains clothes security assets are permitted its important that they are not identified as such, not only because it might make them first targets, but because not identifying those carrying, means that would be shooters would have to assume that there might be many more than there are. Create enough doubt and many perspective perps will choose other targets, or just stay home.
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Unless teachers are armed with AR's with the chainsaw on the accessory rail, the kids are fuct. Admit it.
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Just think of the uncertainty, for criminals, produced by knowing that one in three school employees is trained and equipped. That is very much within reach. Why do we assume teachers can't learn or don't care? ;-{>8 Trap, you have much more confidence in our education system than I. Not sure but I believe it was Hitler. That said ya can take over an entire country with out firing a shot. Through educating the children. Take a look around for the last fifty or so years. And we are suppose to think these same people will do what is right for the same country, and principals in which they are distroying???? Take care, Willie Well, Willie, I may have to admit a bit of provincial naivete, but where this isn't viable, pros could be hired. It looks to me like the teachers in Florida did their profession proud. Godspeed.
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[quote=wdenike]Does anyone not realize our military is already on the payroll? If the snowflakes can't handle letting poor little Johny, and Suzzie be guarded by the best in the world. Then home school the little sons a beeches. Because it is obvious they are incapable of teaching them from kindergarten through 12th. To respect our military, and they are there to protect you. And are the best in the world. This along with concealed carry would end this chit!!! This chit is only complicated for retards. Oops I forgot they aren't retards, no one is shooting up the capital building. Guess that must mean either they have an agenda, or plain don't give a chit.
Not a bad idea ^^^^ Cheaper than paying to go full blown Alcatraz at all our schools. Rotation of National Guard Soldiers at every school...Change out their issued digital camo BDUβs for something more appealing and non-threatening to the soft palate liberals, say, skinny jeans and a black βChe Livesβ Tee-shirt for uniforms.
Arm them with ARβs, Glocks and access to a few non-Lethal options for hammering the schit out of the punk mouthed student who thinks itβs okay to tell their teacher to Fβoff in class...Problem greatly reduced and cost effective ta-boot.
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Unless teachers are armed with AR's with the chainsaw on the accessory rail, the kids are fuct. Admit it. I suspect the cowards who do this kind of thing will be averse to taking on ANY return fire. And, they give it very real consideration.
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I know not every teacher will be able to handle having a gun on them and reacting accordingly, but that doesn't mean we ban the rest from doing it. Many of the teachers in my kids schools are former military and most all hunt. As a friend mentioned while here hunting is he has never been in a place that everyone talks about hunting. Now I know hunting doesn't translate to defending, but what it does mean is most have experience with guns and are not afraid to use them. Heck we still have pictures of kids with guns on billboards in school here.
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Unless teachers are armed with AR's with the chainsaw on the accessory rail, the kids are fuct. Admit it. I suspect the cowards who do this kind of thing will be averse to taking on ANY return fire. And, they give it very real consideration. It seems that lots of the perps historically commit suicide rather than deal with armed response.
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Unless teachers are armed with AR's with the chainsaw on the accessory rail, the kids are fuct. Admit it. I suspect the cowards who do this kind of thing will be averse to taking on ANY return fire. And, they give it very real consideration. Exactly. You beat me to it. Not to mention the fact that even a compact sized handgun, competently handled, can be a match for an AR at room distance ranges, which is most of what's going to be encountered within a school.
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"Arm teachers??? So they can do exactly what???"
Protect themselves and their students. Ass whippings don't work anymore because of all the poor kids with ADHD and autism that have little self control. I'm of the opinion we see a lot more of the latter because of a lack of the former, rather than a decrease in effectiveness. What do you base your opinion on? Have you been around young kids that have ADHD or autism. I have and they can't relate an ass whipping to their bad behavior like a normal child can.
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