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So, is this more "winning?"
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I'll NOT leave a Bro in a chitstorm my friend Mag! Of that I have no doubt.
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So,,, what I am reading here is some people don't want or need "bump stocks" so they think it is OK to ban them from the guys that do. Remember those BS guys have guns, and are gun owners too, and all gun owners should stand together, divide and conquer. Sadly it doesn't work that way.
Never had heard of them, nor have I ever seen one except in the media, but any ban is another step in the wrong direction.
Sheep following the herder, like a good flock. I believe there are more that understand this than do not. It's the same way the original AR ban got legs.
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"I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D.
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Trump hasn't signed anything. The title of this thread is Fake News, same old BS the liberal media pulls.
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So,,, what I am reading here is some people don't want or need "bump stocks" so they think it is OK to ban them from the guys that do. Remember those BS guys have guns, and are gun owners too, and all gun owners should stand together, divide and conquer. Sadly it doesn't work that way.
Never had heard of them, nor have I ever seen one except in the media, but any ban is another step in the wrong direction.
Sheep following the herder, like a good flock. Yup, One more inch, another chip in our rights that will make no difference other than erode our rights. Not one more inch forever.
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I could care less about a bump stock, but it won't save anyone's life. What Trump should have done was to fire those FBI agents that dropped the ball on the Florida school shooter, and promised that it wouldn't happen again from that bunch of idiots.
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So,,, what I am reading here is some people don't want or need "bump stocks" so they think it is OK to ban them from the guys that do. Remember those BS guys have guns, and are gun owners too, and all gun owners should stand together, divide and conquer. Sadly it doesn't work that way.
Never had heard of them, nor have I ever seen one except in the media, but any ban is another step in the wrong direction.
Sheep following the herder, like a good flock. I believe there are more that understand this than do not. It's the same way the original AR ban got legs. Yeah, I think that most "get it"... But, then the Fudds showed up in another thread the other day saying that the federales haven't knocked on their doors for guns yet, so they weren't worried.
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So how many of you have actually read the memo? He does not order the banning of bump stocks. He ask the DOJ to tell the ATF to continue with its previous rulings in bump stocks and to review the comments it got and issue an opinion as to the legality of bump stocks within the regulations as written. Then, he directs the DOJ to make sure to regulate all devices that turn legal firearms into illegal machine guns.
A "well regulated militia" should be legally entitled to machine-guns...don't you think? Or should citizens only be selectively allowed such when its suites a governments agenda?
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So how many of you have actually read the memo? He does not order the banning of bump stocks. He ask the DOJ to tell the ATF to continue with its previous rulings in bump stocks and to review the comments it got and issue an opinion as to the legality of bump stocks within the regulations as written. Then, he directs the DOJ to make sure to regulate all devices that turn legal firearms into illegal machine guns.
A "well regulated militia" should be legally entitled to machine-guns...don't you think?Yes. At the time the Constitution was penned and adopted and amendments were ratified, the government didn't own any arms that the citizens didn't or couldn't possess as well. THAT is the letter and intent of that amendment.
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Pandering, period. Not used, no difference if present -- I hate pandering to the lowest communist denominator,
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This threads flushing commie lib pussies out faster than chit through a tin horn! Speaking of knee-jerk reactions............... Bet ya a million push ups you won’t say that to his face....gunner don’t play
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This threads flushing commie lib pussies out faster than chit through a tin horn! Speaking of knee-jerk reactions............... Bet ya a million push ups you won’t say that to his face....gunner don’t play Really? Do I need to use a ? I'm sure he didn't take that the way you did.
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I know I will be flamed for this but....
I always felt bump stocks were in violation of the spirit of that law banning full auto. I don't really have much of a problem with them being outlawed.
Along those lines I love blowing the crap out of stuff with tannerite just as much as the next guy. Am I comfortable knowing it is so easily available? Nope!
are ya worried about yourself? LOL Folks just don't get it. Punish the crime, not the tool..... I"d be fine if full auto, and explosives were available over the counter. Just hammer the hell out of folks that violate all the otehr laws... it would work... What a minute....innocent until proven guilty? Why that's just CRAZY! (sarc)
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President Donald Trump announced Tuesday that he has recommended that "bump stocks," or devices used to make semi-automatic weapons capable of firing hundreds of rounds per minute, be banned. This is the problem with electing a city boy. His city boy son, Don Jr. is a pretty cool guy. Did y'all know that he shoots Service Rifle competitions with his AR15? I've shot alongside him at several matches over the past several years and he is extremely down to earth. On the shooting range you would never guess he was who he is.
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I've shot alongside him at several matches over the past several years and he is extremely down to earth. Its great that the son respects weapons instead of fearing them.
Son of a liberal: " What did you do in the War On Terror, Daddy?"
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I don't need a Bump stock anyway,
Nor fancy drinks with little umbrellas, skinny jeans, Thai food, cheap beer, camo toilet paper, fat girls, Pit Bulls...make them illegal too. LOL.
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If the ATF ruled that a shoestring turned a Garand into a machine gun, I’ve never understood how bump stocks made it through the process. Approving them was so out of character for the Obama administration, I think they may have just done it hoping that someone would use one in a massacre. It would certainly fit with the way they acted in Fast and Furious. The difference is that the shoe string rig actually does make the gun full auto, as it uses it's own gas power (channeled via the op rod handle tied to the trigger) to release and re-pull the trigger each time. No need to manually release or pull the trigger each time with your finger, as with bump firing. Bump firing amounts to nothing more than pulling and releasing the semi-auto trigger fast by a certain acquired skill in a technique, or using a device (e.g., bump stock, rubber band, or simple wood dowel) that minimizes the level of skill necessary to do it, but in every case, bump firing involves pulling, releasing, and pulling the trigger faster, with the finger, than is possible by the standard firing technique. That's not a full auto mechanism, and the stock doesn't make it a full auto mechanism, because the trigger still has to be released before it can be fired again.
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Just me, but I figure Trump is being Trump. Answer Demo calls for gun control with something pretty useless, that really won't effect a lot of us, but can be used to say he "did something" and before "demands" for something much more serious take root.
Just think what might have happened with Buckwheat still in the White House - or Hillary!
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If this happens, and bump stocks are banned, you can thank the NRA.......I couldn't believe they came out in favor of a ban after the Vegas shooting....... https://home.nra.org/joint-statement(FAIRFAX, VA) - The National Rifle Association today issued the following statement:
"In the aftermath of the evil and senseless attack in Las Vegas, the American people are looking for answers as to how future tragedies can be prevented. Unfortunately, the first response from some politicians has been to call for more gun control. Banning guns from law-abiding Americans based on the criminal act of a madman will do nothing to prevent future attacks. This is a fact that has been proven time and again in countries across the world. In Las Vegas, reports indicate that certain devices were used to modify the firearms involved. Despite the fact that the Obama administration approved the sale of bump fire stocks on at least two occasions, the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations. In an increasingly dangerous world, the NRA remains focused on our mission: strengthening Americans' Second Amendment freedom to defend themselves, their families and their communities. To that end, on behalf of our five million members across the country, we urge Congress to pass National Right-to-Carry reciprocity, which will allow law-abiding Americans to defend themselves and their families from acts of violence." "I am the NRA" and I absolutely am not in favor of banning or further regulating bump stocks...........they don't speak for me on this issue. I don't believe you would see support from Trump or Repubs in congress for banning these devices if they didn't have the NRA's blessings......
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"Today, I am directing the Department of Justice to dedicate all available resources to complete the review of the comments received, and, as expeditiously as possible, to propose for notice and comment a rule banning all devices that turn legal weapons into machineguns."
There ya have it. That wouldn't touch the bump stock, since a bump stock-equipped semiauto doesn't become a machinegun. A machinegun, by definition, fires continuously with the trigger held back. The bump stock-equipped semiauto still requires that the trigger be released and re-pulled each time.
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