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Which one & why??? Just looking for something to play with and fill gap between my 22-250 & 30-06. Looking for something all-purpose and enjoyable to shoot. Enlighten me please.
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All purpose would include cape buffalo and grizzlies. None of the above.
Now for multi-purpose, 243 all the way
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Do we get free refills on the POPCORN ?? Jerry HaHa! I hear ya! It really is a dilemma of mine ... been putting it off for couple years now. I’m constantly back and forth about it.
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I have a 243 win and a 7mm-08. Both are great cartridges. I'm leaning towards the 243 win lately. For deer hunting here in Mid-MO, it'll do anything I could ever ask of it with virtually non-existent recoil. I really like the 7-08, but unless I'm shooting at long distance or at something bigger than a Missouri whitetail buck, I'm taking my 243.
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I’m more of a NONconformist around here so I’ll just express my opinions.
First— Short Actions don’t trip my switch.
Second, to fill the gap between 22-250 -> -> 30-06, the NATURAL is 25-06. A few more grains of powder helps the powder co.s
and doesn’t bother me.
I’ve looked at your list of cartridges a few Xs and the 25-06 FILLS the gap best IMO.
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Pick one and go with it. You can find just as many folks who love each one you mentioned, and just as many who hate them for what ever reason. My $.02 says the 7mm-08 fills the bill. You don't need a varmint rifle, so the 7mm-08 is the natural mid-range for your lineup.
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I would personally throw the 25-06 out from the beginning. It shoots low BC bullets really fast. So does the .243, but the .243 can also shoot pretty high BC bullets reasonably fast. Same could be said for your 22-250, if you've got enough twist in your barrel for the 75's. So on that line, I'd probably throw out the .243 unless your 22-250 isn't legal for deer wherever you are located.
The 7-08 would be my next to throw out. It is really just a little 30-06. A 140 7mm bullet and a 165 .308 bullet are the same SD, and these two cartridges can push them to about the same velocities. I personally don't see what one of those two does that the other doesn't until you get to a 200 grain Partition on something that might eat you. If someone had a 7-08 and wasn't hunting bears, I'd conversely wonder what they were hoping to accomplish by adding a 30-06.
That leaves the 6.5's. The Creedmoor and the Swede are basically interchangeable. I've seen Quickload predictions that put them within less than 50 fps of each other. The Creedmoor is the obvious choice if you want a short action or the ability to get decent factory ammo. The Swede has the best buy on Lapua brass, and a 147 ELD at 3.150" pretty much puts the shank/boat tail junction of the bullet right at the shoulder/neck junction of the case while having more room for RL26. Either one can blast a 123-130 class bullet at close to or over 3,000 fps, which is the same ballistics as the .243 with 105's, while having the option to go higher in bullet weight/BC if one desired. On the other side, a 95 VMax or 100 BT, TTSX, or Partition should be capable of 3150-3300 fps.
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I say go for the 25 06! Just because it sounds good right now, but they'll all fill the gap well.
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Second on the choice of the 25-06 here. It really does bridge the difference quite well. The other cartridges on the list are either a bit "belly button" (243,6.5 CM) or '06-like to make for a fun late winter/early spring project.
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6.5 Creed because it’s right in the middle.
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A fast twist 243 will do anything a 25-06 will do on big game. It shoots similar bullet weights (107 vs 110) about 150 fps slower. Or a bullet weight 10 gr lighter (107 vs 117) to about the same speed. At the muzzle the 25-06 has an advantage on paper, but at about the 250-300 yard mark the higher BC 243 bullets catch up. Your 22-250 is a better varmint rifle, your 30-06 the better big game rifle so I don't see a use for either 243 or 25-06.
The 7-08 is a ballistic twin to 308. At 500 yards with the best loads in each the 7-08 has just over 2" less drop and less than 50 ft lbs energy advantage with 1 ft lb less recoil. On paper the 7-08 has the edge. But not by much. I could live with a 7-08 or 308, but other than being in a lighter, more compact rifle you don't gain much over the 30-06 you have.
Either of the 6.5's will beat 25-06 on big game, does 95% of what 7-08 does and fills the gap perfectly between 22 and 30 caliber. With lighter bullets it could be used for varmints, but with 140 gr or heavier bullets it'll kill anything 270 or 7-08 will kill and do it with almost 1/2 the recoil you are getting from your 30-06. If you want to go long range target shooting the better high BC bullets will get you way out there. Of course a 243 could too.
If you want nostalgic, buy a 6.5X55
But from a practical standpoint there is a good reason the 6.5 Creedmoor has taken off. Lots of good, accurate, reasonably priced rifles out there and ammo is available. It comes close to 308, 30-06, 270, and 243 in availability and price. Much easier to find than 7-08 ammo and 6.5X55.
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The cartridge gap you are trying to fill begs for the 6.5 creed. The 25-06 runs a close second. Over the years here on the Campfire very little negative has been written on the 25-06 say as compared to the .270.
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Find a rifle you really like chambered for any of those, or some others, and go for it. If you plan on shooting it a lot, maybe a .243, for all its virtues, might not be the best idea. A mid-range .25, 6.5, or 7mm might wear better.
I picked up a CZ 6.5 Grendel last year and it's a blast to shoot. Pretty light and handy, and light stuff is starting to look better to me these days. No recoil to speak of either. Plenty of power out to 300 or so for deer and such.
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I don't like the 243.
Pick based on ammo/component cost/availability.
You said the goal is shooting enjoyment? Creede is your answer, ammo is available and reasonable. Components the same and growing. Recoil is light, barrel life is supposedly long.
Really, for shooting, it is an easy choice.
For myself, it would be Sweede
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I can't see buying anything other than a 6.5 CM. Its got better available factory ammo and better ballistics than anything listed. Handloading just makes it better.
Doesn't even seem to really be a question any more.
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I would personally throw the 25-06 out from the beginning. It shoots low BC bullets really fast. So does the .243, but the .243 can also shoot pretty high BC bullets reasonably fast. Same could be said for your 22-250, if you've got enough twist in your barrel for the 75's. So on that line, I'd probably throw out the .243 unless your 22-250 isn't legal for deer wherever you are located.
The 7-08 would be my next to throw out. It is really just a little 30-06. A 140 7mm bullet and a 165 .308 bullet are the same SD, and these two cartridges can push them to about the same velocities. I personally don't see what one of those two does that the other doesn't until you get to a 200 grain Partition on something that might eat you. If someone had a 7-08 and wasn't hunting bears, I'd conversely wonder what they were hoping to accomplish by adding a 30-06.
That leaves the 6.5's. The Creedmoor and the Swede are basically interchangeable. I've seen Quickload predictions that put them within less than 50 fps of each other. The Creedmoor is the obvious choice if you want a short action or the ability to get decent factory ammo. The Swede has the best buy on Lapua brass, and a 147 ELD at 3.150" pretty much puts the shank/boat tail junction of the bullet right at the shoulder/neck junction of the case while having more room for RL26. Either one can blast a 123-130 class bullet at close to or over 3,000 fps, which is the same ballistics as the .243 with 105's, while having the option to go higher in bullet weight/BC if one desired. On the other side, a 95 VMax or 100 BT, TTSX, or Partition should be capable of 3150-3300 fps. Not much that needs to be added to this, my thoughts exactly. I will say I've had my last 6.5x55, it's a good chambering, but doesn't do anything that the 6.5 Creedmoor doesn't with better rifle, ammo, component and full power load data availability. The easy button for this question is a Creedmoor in whatever flavor you prefer, a couple lbs of RL16, and some bullets matching your specific needs. I've been shooting Hornady brass in my 6.5s for a while, but with the good reports going around about Starline and Peterson, I'll have to upgrade my next batch and give them a try.
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