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Check out the bullet fun out. It was all over the place with RCBS dies. Now all under 0.03
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Check out the bullet fun out. It was all over the place with RCBS dies. Now all under 0.03 This is why I quit using RCBS dies along time ago.
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Uh, if you are getting 250 fps more than factory / SAAMI velocities for that weight bullet with your load, you have a pressure issue. You just haven’t suffered the consequences of overpressure yet. Ask Mule Deer if you doubt my comment. Happy Trails
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Uh, if you are getting 250 fps more than factory / SAAMI velocities for that weight bullet with your load, you have a pressure issue. You just haven’t suffered the consequences of overpressure yet. Ask Mule Deer if you doubt my comment. Happy Trails Fortis is 1-1.5gr under max load according to nosler manual with the rl22. So have no idea why you think he’s over pressured.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Check out the bullet fun out. It was all over the place with RCBS dies. Now all under 0.03 This is why I quit using RCBS dies along time ago. You can adjust your die set for minimal run-out. You just have to be smarter than the die set... I run RCBS FL dies with absolutely no problems whatsoever. Have been doing so for a long time...: I also check run-out and adjust dies accordingly, right after I get them.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Fotis is that a app you are using to measure your shot size
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Fotis is that a app you are using to measure your shot size range buddy phone and pc
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Check out the bullet fun out. It was all over the place with RCBS dies. Now all under 0.03 This is why I quit using RCBS dies along time ago. You can adjust your die set for minimal run-out. You just have to be smarter than the die set... I run RCBS FL dies with absolutely no problems whatsoever. Have been doing so for a long time...: I also check run-out and adjust dies accordingly, right after I get them. can you explain the procedure
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Uh, if you are getting 250 fps more than factory / SAAMI velocities for that weight bullet with your load, you have a pressure issue. You just haven’t suffered the consequences of overpressure yet. Ask Mule Deer if you doubt my comment. Happy Trails Fortis is 1-1.5gr under max load according to nosler manual with the rl22. So have no idea why you think he’s over pressured. Case A: Handloader's rifle needs two grains over book max to reach book velocity. That's OK because the book is just a guide since they didn't use the exact set of components and rifle as the handloader, and the chrono is telling the handloader that velocity, and hence (indirectly) pressure is in line with safe expectations. Case B: Handloader's rifle is 250 fps over book with two grains under max listed charge weight. Never mind what the chrono says about velocity, and hence (indirectly) pressure, being beyond safe expectations. The book says handloader is two grains under max, never mind that the book didn't use the exact set of components and rifle as the handloader. Question: Which logic holds?
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Math man, Case B certainly doesn’t if you are exceeding factory/manual velocity by that much. If one is exceeding Weatherby factory loads in any Weatherby cartridge you might be a bit on the warm side. Case A makes sense if you have a reliable chronograph. I have a couple of loads with TTSX bullets that attain book velocity with less than max listed charge with all components exactly as listed. That’s where I stop. Conversely, I have several loads from the Nosler manual that won’t reach listed velocity without pressure signs. YMMV.
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Uh, if you are getting 250 fps more than factory / SAAMI velocities for that weight bullet with your load, you have a pressure issue. You just haven’t suffered the consequences of overpressure yet. Ask Mule Deer if you doubt my comment. Happy Trails Fortis is 1-1.5gr under max load according to nosler manual with the rl22. So have no idea why you think he’s over pressured. I never said that sir
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Uh, if you are getting 250 fps more than factory / SAAMI velocities for that weight bullet with your load, you have a pressure issue. You just haven’t suffered the consequences of overpressure yet. Ask Mule Deer if you doubt my comment. Happy Trails Fortis is 1-1.5gr under max load according to nosler manual with the rl22. So have no idea why you think he’s over pressured. I never said that sir No, but Miles58 did for his load. However, your 3660 velocity for 110 AB is a bit warm. Happy Trails
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Didn't Miles say his rifle was happy at 250 fps under full speed?
I made my question comment thinking the talk was about load/velocity info I missed in one of the images I can't see right now. That appears not to be the case, so please ignore my question.
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You can adjust your die set for minimal run-out. You just have to be smarter than the die set...
I guess I'm just dumb! I will still choose to run a better Quality die.
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Didn't Miles say his rifle was happy at 250 fps under full speed?
I made my question comment thinking the talk was about load/velocity info I missed in one of the images I can't see right now. That appears not to be the case, so please ignore my question. Yes, I guess it was late and I misread his > 250 slower statement. My OFS kicking in, please accept my sincere apology for any dander I may have raised. I have had loads with similar patterns develop as well. Usually resolved by +/- powder charge, switching primers, etc to change the pressure curve. Cleaning more or letting it foul a little can help. As an unrelated aside, I could never get 110 Accubond to shoot worth beans in my .257 Roberts. Don’t axe me why, cause I don’t know. It shoots others well. Another bullet I could never get to shoot well was 7mm Hornady Interbond. Happy Trails
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Let us know how that works! Happy Trails
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Favorite rifle shoots 2 in one hole one away ruining a great group. Did it ever shoot better groups with different loads/ammo? Since it's your favorite, my guess is that it shot well at some point.
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For what it is worth, what I was saying was that the factory loads I found to be accurate were running at 250 FPS below what my rifle had repeatedly shown me to be a max load.and which was in line with book max loads published by more than one manufacturer. Off the top of my head, 58.5 RL-22 produced above 3450 in that rifle's 26 inch barrel. across my chrony. and the factory loads produce 3225.
My feeling was that I should have been able to find another node producing accuracy in that much of a velocity window, and it irked me no end. I tried a number of different powders that would have been appropriate and sometimes maxed out a little faster, sometimes a little slower, but I have to this day have yet to find a node. My thoughts are that I could press on and do a little looking just above published max loads because I have yet to observe pressure signs. My inclination is that until I have exhausted ALL of the suitable powders and then evaluated the less likely powders (like Varget) to see if they will produce closer to what the Rifle should give me, that I will not be pushing things. I would not be at all surprised to see Varget give me something close enough to 3400 to satisfy me
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