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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
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The difference in loading data/velocity for the .243 Winchester and 6mm Remington is mostly due to the differences in the maximum SAAMI pressure. The .243's is 60,000 PSI, the 6mm's 65,000.


The .243 got a rep for pressure excursions and the 6mm did not. Not sure if it has anything to do with case configuration or not but it may. Could also be due to throat erosion or variation in the .243 chamber and leade and the more limited testing of the 6mm. I also suspect that the early non canister lots of 7828 was a factor as this was used in the .243 and 7 RM and they both exhibited the pressure excursions and had the SAAMI pressure reduced as a result. Early 7828 was similar to R22 and it also got and deserved a rep for lot to lot variation early on, maybe just a coincidence.

Either way it is difficult for me to jump on the .243 AI band wagon when you have the 6mm with almost identical capacity and in my opinion a better case design. Besides I am a Warren Page fan, but who knows if Huntington or Page or probably a dozen others actually were the first to neck down the 08 and x57mm cases? In either case I will have a hard time shooting as many deer with any other caliber than I have shot with the 6mm's.


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Whicked! TTSX looks great! Congrats to your kid!


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I've got the love just need to find a older Remington 700

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Originally Posted by Tejano
Originally Posted by Mule Deer
HuntnShoot,

The difference in loading data/velocity for the .243 Winchester and 6mm Remington is mostly due to the differences in the maximum SAAMI pressure. The .243's is 60,000 PSI, the 6mm's 65,000.


The .243 got a rep for pressure excursions and the 6mm did not. Not sure if it has anything to do with case configuration or not but it may. Could also be due to throat erosion or variation in the .243 chamber and leade and the more limited testing of the 6mm. I also suspect that the early non canister lots of 7828 was a factor as this was used in the .243 and 7 RM and they both exhibited the pressure excursions and had the SAAMI pressure reduced as a result. Early 7828 was similar to R22 and it also got and deserved a rep for lot to lot variation early on, maybe just a coincidence.

Either way it is difficult for me to jump on the .243 AI band wagon when you have the 6mm with almost identical capacity and in my opinion a better case design. Besides I am a Warren Page fan, but who knows if Huntington or Page or probably a dozen others actually were the first to neck down the 08 and x57mm cases? In either case I will have a hard time shooting as many deer with any other caliber than I have shot with the 6mm's.


The better case design of the 6mm re throat erosion and/or more consistent pressure is relative to the stock 243, not the AI.

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I am kind of a fan. My 700 BDL was my dads before I bought it from him 10 years ago. He bought it from a bud of his in the early 80s. It wore a 2-7x 28mm Leupold until a couple of years ago when I swapped it out for a 2.5-10x Bushnell which seemed to bulk the rifle up too much so it now wears a 2-7x 33mm Leupold, seems about perfect to me.

This particular rifle has killed between 50-75 deer I am guessing, maybe more. Most of those kills were with a Sierra 85 grain spitzer, pass throughs and DRT are the norm. I did load some 95 grain Partitions this fall, killed a buck at maybe 20 yards, DRT.

I did trade for some 90 grain Accubonds a while back, haven't worked up a load yet. Wouldn't mind trying an 80 grain TTSX as well.

Right now it is my go to rifle for whitetails.

Coyote killing machine with those 85 grain Sierra spitzers and a 70 grain tipped Varmageddon.


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A few kills. Even though this is the deer hunting forum I have more coyote pics than deer killed with my 6.
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I like the live ones, then I can make them dead!!


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We have coyotes here BUT since 2012, I have ONLY seen 1.

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The 6mm Remington is my dad’s ground hog rifle- he’s never tried it for deer, but I might “borrow” it this fall!

When loading for the 6mm are a lot of the higher end loads compressed? I just loaded some 90-grain Ballistic Tips and had to seat them fairly deep to fit into the short action magazine, I loaded a ladder test with RE19 and another with H4831 (I emailed Hodgdon and they told me to use the data for 95-grain Partition). I just know I was crunching powder when I seated the bullets with both powders!


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JustinL1 - The loads we are shooting are not compressed loads. I work to find the best accuracy I can in all of our rifles, but don't try to push any of them to max velocities. I am loading 38.5 gr. of H380 in the Ruger 77V and 40.0 gr. of H380 in the Remington 700V. Both will shoot inside an inch for three shot groups if we do our part.

https://load-data.nosler.com/load-data/6mm-remington/


10gaugemag - Nice work on the coyotes!

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Originally Posted by Sakoluvr
My daughter got a Black Bear with her 6mm Rem this past Fall. I am loading 80gr TTSX's over 47.5 grs IMR4350 @ 3375 fps. Rifle is a mid 60's Rem 700 BDL

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Nice bear! Looks like a happy young lady in that picture!


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I don't think the bear looks HAPPY ! ! GRIN

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Originally Posted by JustinL1
The 6mm Remington is my dad’s ground hog rifle- he’s never tried it for deer, but I might “borrow” it this fall!

When loading for the 6mm are a lot of the higher end loads compressed? I just loaded some 90-grain Ballistic Tips and had to seat them fairly deep to fit into the short action magazine, I loaded a ladder test with RE19 and another with H4831 (I emailed Hodgdon and they told me to use the data for 95-grain Partition). I just know I was crunching powder when I seated the bullets with both powders!

Justin

From personal experience I have loaded compressed loads MORE Xs than I can count. It don't hurt nuttin.

Also I have killed plenty deer with a 243 and 6mm R -- they work.
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Thanks for the compliments guys. A full charge of IMR4350 is not a compressed load even with the longish TTSX.


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Last year's buck. 95 partition over 44 grains of IMR-4350. DRT.
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In about 1978 my research indicated that my ideal combo rifle for coyotes to deer would be a custom 6mm with long action to seat the bullet out far enough to take advantage of powder capacity... and I didn't have the coin to buy one in those days.

But a fellow in a hurry for cash sold me cheap a custom Mauser 98 with 26 inch heavy Douglas barrel, Dayton-Traister (?) trigger in a gorgeous stock made by Roberts (?) Robertson (?). It shot 75 grain Hornady hollow points into consistent 5 shot groups of 5/8 inch, and when I worked up a deer load with 95 grain Nosler Partitions, it put five rounds in so tight a group that I stopped after 3 to walk down and see if the hole had changed shape as hinted in the spotting scope or if I was missing the entire target. It is the most accurate rifle I've owned or fired.

This 6mm has killed a bunch of coyotes, a bunch of deer including my biggest, a 180 class mule deer at 40 feet, one 6x6 elk when it was the rifle in hand, several bears and my kids and grandkids have killed some deer with it since it now resides with them. Loaned to a friend who flew up to my place for a bear hunt, it made the most instantly spectacular kill on any animal that I've seen. The bear was feeding away from us in a river bottom below us from our position on a high cut bank. The 95 Nosler Partition hit the bear well back in the withers, entered inside the spinal column at the precise angle to travel down the spinal cord into the brain where it stopped with no exit. The bear dropped with an audible thud.

It is a beautiful rifle that now shows lots of use, and has been my most enjoyable rifle to shoot and to load for, partly because it was the first firearm luxury I ever owned that was not the minimal for my need, function and cost.

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Having had a 6mm rem when he was younger, my dad was feeling nostalgic and had an 1-8" 6mm built on a rem SA at the same time I was building my first 243AI, also on rem SA.... and it was ok with lighter bullets but when it he tried to load good, high bc, bullets he ran in to problems in the mag box. My 243AI would run the 105vld at the same speeds his 6mm would.......but mine wasn't a single shot. lol. Personally I feel that the 243AI is a better mousetrap and does everything the 6mm does without any magbox issues. I wouldn't take a 6mm rem if it was given to me. Whom I kidding, I would probably take it and just have it rechambered to 6-284. laugh


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I built a 6mm using a 22" ER Shaw barrel on a VZ-24 action several years back for antelope and mule deer. With 44 grains of RL22 and a 95 grain Ballistic-tip it makes quite the combo for those particular critters out to 300 yards. In the range of 65-80 grain bullets, 40 grains of IMR 4064 is my favorite load. Currently I'm running 43 grains of IMR 7383 (surplus) with 100 grain SBT for a flat shooting and accurate hunting/practice 600-700 yard loading. I have one 6mm, two 243s, and now a 6mm CM and each serves their designed purpose for me at least. In my estimation there is very little difference between the three, all have excellent long-range capability and are more than adequate for light-medium game (within reasonable ranges) and varmints. Although I prefer 6.5 caliber and larger for Elk, I wouldn't hesitate to use a 6mm to fill a cow tag if that was what I had on hand.


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