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The exposed windage turret was a showstopper for me. Doug graciously cancelled my order. Can't imagine using a scope with only 80 mm of eye relief. You can’t imagine, because you’ve never used a S&B. Seriously?
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The exposed windage turret was a showstopper for me. Doug graciously cancelled my order. Can't imagine using a scope with only 80 mm of eye relief. You can’t imagine, because you’ve never used a S&B. Seriously? Yes very much so. I have a 6 power S&B and I have zero issues with eye relief. I own 7 S&B scopes.
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The exposed windage turret was a showstopper for me. Doug graciously cancelled my order. Can't imagine using a scope with only 80 mm of eye relief. You can’t imagine, because you’ve never used a S&B. What? The Stratos line, Exos line, Zenith line, half of the Klassik line and most of the PMII lines have 90mm of ER...
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Mounting normalish sized scopes with short eye relief on anything but a short action is a PIA unless using a rail or claw mounts... Further, offset rings and extended bases are typically ugly.
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The exposed windage turret was a showstopper for me. Doug graciously cancelled my order. Can't imagine using a scope with only 80 mm of eye relief. You can’t imagine, because you’ve never used a S&B. What? The Stratos line, Exos line, Zenith line, half of the Klassik line and most of the PMII lines have 90mm of ER... I don’t give a rats azz I know that I have no problem with th3 6 power S&B. Instead of reading I actually have used one.
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It may be. I was under the belief (and still hope) that this will be made with latest glass, coatings, etc. I didn't expect the physical dimensions to change and I'm ok with that but don't want to be expecting one thing and receive another. The windage not being capped was strike one, but not a huge issue. The eye relief being shortened by .4" is strike two and it hurts. I'm somewhat skeptical on the "Weight: 476 g./16.79 ounces" now that the eye relief has been shortened....if the weight ends up at 610 grams/21+ oz's it's another strike.
I hope S&B will clarify things quickly. It's a bit costly to be misled on a project like this.
I'll bet a dollar to a dime that the only change is updated glass.
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The exposed windage turret was a showstopper for me. Doug graciously cancelled my order. Can't imagine using a scope with only 80 mm of eye relief. You can’t imagine, because you’ve never used a S&B. What? The Stratos line, Exos line, Zenith line, half of the Klassik line and most of the PMII lines have 90mm of ER... I don’t give a rats azz I know that I have no problem with th3 6 power S&B. Instead of reading I actually have used one. I haven't used one. I can say, with no doubt, I'd prefer 90 to 80 mm of eye relief on any scope. It's essential that S&B is clear on what they are doing. I'm willing to spend $ on something that checks all the boxes. Spending the $ then receiving something that differs from the checked boxes is NOT a good thing and it appears that's already happening.
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It may be. I was under the belief (and still hope) that this will be made with latest glass, coatings, etc. I didn't expect the physical dimensions to change and I'm ok with that but don't want to be expecting one thing and receive another. The windage not being capped was strike one, but not a huge issue. The eye relief being shortened by .4" is strike two and it hurts. I'm somewhat skeptical on the "Weight: 476 g./16.79 ounces" now that the eye relief has been shortened....if the weight ends up at 610 grams/21+ oz's it's another strike.
I hope S&B will clarify things quickly. It's a bit costly to be misled on a project like this.
I'll bet a dollar to a dime that the only change is updated glass. Updated glass is good. I wasn't expecting an new model on everything else, only something that met the specs they originally provided to Doug.
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Gentleman,
I have contacted S&B this morning and am awaiting a reply back. I have shared the concerns of ours and this thread with them. As soon as I hear back I will post the details of the reply
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Using the measurements taken from the 6.42 Klassic I had--on a given rifle:
80mm ER would give you a fit similar to a Swaro Z3 3-9
90mm ER would give you a fit similar to the Leupold 6x36
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The exposed windage turret was a showstopper for me. Doug graciously cancelled my order. Can't imagine using a scope with only 80 mm of eye relief. You can’t imagine, because you’ve never used a S&B. What? The Stratos line, Exos line, Zenith line, half of the Klassik line and most of the PMII lines have 90mm of ER... I don’t give a rats azz I know that I have no problem with th3 6 power S&B. Instead of reading I actually have used one. But you haven’t used a 6x S&B with 90mm of ER...
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I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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Gentleman,
I have contacted S&B this morning and am awaiting a reply back. I have shared the concerns of ours and this thread with them. As soon as I hear back I will post the details of the reply Thanks Doug.
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The exposed windage turret was a showstopper for me. Doug graciously cancelled my order. Can't imagine using a scope with only 80 mm of eye relief. You can’t imagine, because you’ve never used a S&B. What? The Stratos line, Exos line, Zenith line, half of the Klassik line and most of the PMII lines have 90mm of ER... I don’t give a rats azz I know that I have no problem with th3 6 power S&B. Instead of reading I actually have used one. But you haven’t used a 6x S&B with 90mm of ER... I believe I have 3.54 inches is 90mm
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Z3 3-9x36mm, 90mm ER, 136mm tube length
Habicht 6x42mm, 80mm ER, 153mm tube length
FX-II 6x36mm, 109mm ER, 150mm tube length
FX-3 6x42mm, 113mm ER, 137mm tube length
Meopta 6x42mm, 95mm ER, 142mm tube length
Diatal 6x42mm, 80mm ER, XXXmm tube length
Klassik 6x42, 80mm ER, 147.5mm tube length
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The exposed windage turret was a showstopper for me. Doug graciously cancelled my order. Can't imagine using a scope with only 80 mm of eye relief. You can’t imagine, because you’ve never used a S&B. I don’t give a rats azz I know that I have no problem with th3 6 power S&B. Instead of reading I actually have used one. But you haven’t used a 6x S&B with 90mm of ER... I believe I have 3.54 inches is 90mm So you have a 6x S&B with 90mm of ER?
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An SWFA SS 6x is about 88mm. The SWFA SS 3-9x42 goes from 4.13 down to 3.03" (77mm). I can't imagine 80 being a showstopper. Wait and see what info Doug comes back with.
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Yes, yes I have a 6 power S&B.
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An SWFA SS 6x is about 88mm. The SWFA SS 3-9x42 goes from 4.13 down to 3.03" (77mm). I can't imagine 80 being a showstopper. I think it's a definite showstopper for all the guys who were never gonna order one anyway.
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