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![[Linked Image]](https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-w5NDs9X/0/92b6b1b1/L/i-w5NDs9X-L.jpg) I do not think Ringman has the capability to understand this, but just in case... It seems your numbers don't agree with JBM. Therefore I have no confidence in what you posted. Here are some JBM numbers. Here's what JBM shows for a .30-06 180 grain with a B.C. of .440 and a velocity of 2,700 feet per second zeroed at 200 yards. Sight height of 1.5" 50 yards +0.5" 100 yards +1.4" 300 yards -6.5" Sight height of 2.0" 50 yards +0.1" 100 yards +1.2" 300 yards -6.2" In your science is there a difference in one to the other? There is the way I see the numbers. Last comment on this and I swear I will let it be. It is not my science. Science is science. It is neither mine nor yours nor anyone else. What we are arguing here is so well explored that it is absolutely remarkable there is an argument at all. There is no mystery to close range ballistics.
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So there has been so much on topic discussion I feel like I have probably glossed this over, but pick one (don't suggest another):
Swaro Z5 5-25x52
Leica ER 5 5-25x56 Swarovski
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But I do fancy the idea of turning a 280 into a 280AI with a simple ring swap.  ROR! It’s no wonder Rich can’t find a gunsmith.
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I do not think Ringman has the capability to understand this, but just in case... It seems your numbers don't agree with JBM. Therefore I have no confidence in what you posted. Here are some JBM numbers. Here's what JBM shows for a .30-06 180 grain with a B.C. of .440 and a velocity of 2,700 feet per second zeroed at 200 yards. Sight height of 1.5" 50 yards +0.5" 100 yards +1.4" 300 yards -6.5" Sight height of 2.0" 50 yards +0.1" 100 yards +1.2" 300 yards -6.2" In your science is there a difference in one to the other? There is the way I see the numbers. Last comment on this and I swear I will let it be. It is not my science. Science is science. It is neither mine nor yours nor anyone else. What we are arguing here is so well explored that it is absolutely remarkable there is an argument at all. There is no mystery to close range ballistics. It’s like arguing with a flat-Earther.
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I do not think Ringman has the capability to understand this, but just in case... It seems your numbers don't agree with JBM. Therefore I have no confidence in what you posted. Here are some JBM numbers. Here's what JBM shows for a .30-06 180 grain with a B.C. of .440 and a velocity of 2,700 feet per second zeroed at 200 yards. Sight height of 1.5" 50 yards +0.5" 100 yards +1.4" 300 yards -6.5" Sight height of 2.0" 50 yards +0.1" 100 yards +1.2" 300 yards -6.2" In your science is there a difference in one to the other? There is the way I see the numbers. Last comment on this and I swear I will let it be. It is not my science. Science is science. It is neither mine nor yours nor anyone else. What we are arguing here is so well explored that it is absolutely remarkable there is an argument at all. There is no mystery to close range ballistics. I agree. We both have documentation for what we observe in "close range ballistics" from the same source.
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Well that settles that...
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Swarovski Z5 5-25x52
Bushnell Elite 4.5-30x50
Leica ER 5 5-25x56 What do you intend to use the scope for. None of these are “low light” scopes. I have the Z5 5-25x52mm BT 4W. It’s a dandy of a woodchuck scope. It’s not one I’d use to shoot coyotes under moon light though. ![[Linked Image]](https://s19.postimg.cc/ffdwujq7n/IMG_3200.jpg)
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Not looking for a low light scope necessarily, just wanting to get opinions on which one of those listed would do best in low light. Definitely considering the 3.5-18x44 Z5. Just prejudiced by the poor low light performance of my 3-18x44 VX-6HD I had which has me looking at 50+ mm objectives.
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Not looking for a low light scope necessarily, just wanting to get opinions on which one of those listed would do best in low light. Definitely considering the 3.5-18x44 Z5. Just prejudiced by the poor low light performance of my 3-18x44 VX-6HD I had which has me looking at 50+ mm objectives. I've had no issues shooting a low light with mine..
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So after deciding I’d go 3.5-18x44 Z5, I picked up a new 5-25x52 Z5 tonight for a great price. I also plan on snagging a few competitors and testing them over the summer and keeping the best one. Stay tuned.
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I have both and prefer the 5-25.
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Ive had all 3 scopes; Leica is the best! Great low light performance
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So after deciding I’d go 3.5-18x44 Z5, I picked up a new 5-25x52 Z5 tonight for a great price. I also plan on snagging a few competitors and testing them over the summer and keeping the best one. Stay tuned. Looking forward to your findings.
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