Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire WHY do school shootings happen?

They do ask them. But the media reports nothing on it. There is typically much more to the story but you have to research and read to find out. After two weeks the media moves on to the next headline.

Look at the Unabomber story. Years spent hunting that guy down and all the media ever put out was he "opposed technology." What a joke.

Paxil, Ritalin,Zoloft and so many other "anti depressants" are what has changed!

This makes sense. The function of a lot of those drugs is to inhibit barriers (such as normal anxiety evoked by it) between impulses and actions, and therefore between fantasy and reality.

Past generations tried to keep their kids from experimenting with drugs, the 60's generation had kids, and thought that giving them drugs was easier than raising them and teaching them a work ethic, we have huge numbers of kids that have been drugged their entire life time for ADD and other symptoms of sitting on their azzes instead of going outside and playing.

Yep. People keep asking what's changed...THAT is what has changed.

Nobody's phone is making them commit mass murder.

That is ONE of the changes. Not the only change.

To address mental health you have to have a wider scope.

Who here thinks you should be able to google japanese girls schitting on a transvestites face? (Gus aside)

But all we hear about from the media regarding these issues is "free speech." The internet needs a massive shutting down of content. I don't know how you would go about it but it needs to happen.

Get those kids off Ritalin and get them running around a track daily.

That'll get rid of a lot of mental health issues. Most kids today get almost no exercise.

You need to research your meds. Ritalin is not an antidepressant, it is used in the treatment of ADHD. I know many on the fire and teachers do not believe in this diagnosis. But it exists, I have 2, now adult, children that have it as well as both parents. The difference between my oldest taking Ritalin and not taking it was like night and day. He did not have any behavioral problems but his ability to concentrate and do an assignment was definitely better on Ritalin. I look back on my elementary and HS experiences and can definitely see that I have ADHD. On my elementary school report cards there was a part where your attention in class was rated excellent, satisfactory, or unsatisfactory. I did not rate even an unsatisfactory, they wrote "draws castles in the sky" instead. I had a lot of negative"attention" in school believe me ( I went to Catholic school K-12). ADHD is not just a psyche diagnosis. It has been demonstrated on PET scans that these children have decreased blood flow to the frontal cortex in the area that governs attention and self control when compared to "normal" controls. What Ritalin and other drugs used to treat this do is improve blood flow to that area of the brain which is why even though they are "speed" they have both a calming effect and increase ability to concentrate. Both my kids graduated with 3.6 GPAs from HS but it took a lot of effort on our part (especially mom) to keep them on tract doing their assignments, etc. Both participated in HS Naval ROTC and were highly decorated officers. Properly used these medications are a real benefit to children with this diagnosis. There are readily available testing protocols which can test for this diagnosis available.

You're saying the drug works.

I'm saying nobody knows the long lasting effects of the drug.

That's a broad and ignorant statement.

Agreed.

The internet is the breeding ground for evil. Look what social media is doing.

The issue is the current culture in the middle/high schools. Brutal place to be. Most boys are porn addicted. Girls are confused as hell as most don't have a strong father figure anymore as most dads are acting like 15 year olds if they are even in the picture. Bullying and sexual harassment is rampant. Teachers are liberals. Drug use is rampant. Sports are good, but are replacing the family structure for some. Most parents are detached from it all, as they got their own crap to deal with. Mixed/broken families are common. Kids are basically raising each other.

We are a nation of selfish, budding sociopaths. These shootings are just a refection of who we are, and where we are heading.

What exactly do you disagree with in it? I'm completely opposed to drugging kids, and I'm completely for kids getting fit. Healthy minds and bodies don't come from a bottle of pills.

Yeah of course there's other factors involved but imo that's the most logical first step.

Kids today don't get less exercise than other generations. If anything, they get more due to helicopter parents that force them into sports they'd otherwise not engage in.

Ritalin DOES change the behavior of kids with attention problems. My children would have likely benefited from it but I refused to put them on it. To say exercise would have the same result is ridiculous. My kids got plenty of exercise and they are/were still [bleep].

Can't argue with any of that.

That would help some, IMO, but not all. Some kids need drugs to be able to function in a school setting. Like it or not. They are over prescribed but with the system we have set up, you can't stick an out of control kid in a classroom, to the detriment of the education of other kids. I've seen kids spin a 180 when put on drugs and actually learn something.

These kids environment is another factor, we were country people, land creeks woods to roam, we were never bored, if we thought we were my dad would find some work for us to do. if you pack a couple hundred poor kids into public housing,no fathers, and expect them to all want to go, on a group trip to Disney, well you are an idiot!

What Calvin said.

Nobody should dispute that the drugs work, however, we should ask if anybody knows what the long term effects of these drugs are.

Nobody knows. And nobody seems to want to know. Adderall is like bubble gum on college campuses. That means it's used in high school too. Heavily.

I understand your concern 'flave. My children are 32 and 29 respectively. My oldest has ADHD but has stopped taking the drugs since graduating from HS (18). He is an adult but his life continues to be hampered by impulsiveness and lack of concentration but he refuses to be on medication (his choice). Other wise good kid works hard and just recently got married, but I think he will never realized his full potential. Number 2 son took meds until junior year in HS but was having a difficult time with college classes and last year decided to seek psyche help and was prescribed a third generation "Ritalin". He is now completing certification as a CAD graphic designer. He has progressed slowly through college due to working his way through (no debt). If you have it the meds definitely help. I think that what helped me succeed with out meds (unheard of when I was in school) is my ability to hyper focus when trying to solve a problem but it is to the exclusion of practically all other sensory input. A herd of elephants could come in and destroy the entire room and afterward I could look up and have only a WTF look on my face.

Spare us the farmer vs. city kid rhetoric.

Plenty of well adapted city kids have grown to be massive successes in life and didn't shoot up a school. This issue needs to be looked at objectively from the right because rest assured the left is going to leverage it to remove your rights.