Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Optics Is Leupold slowly losing its foothold?

Okay... I happen to have several models of that scope and have not seen that problem. I can show you several moose that have trouble deciding whether that scope or the 30-06 sucks worse. Which ones did you have the trouble with and how closely did you document the issue?

And how many nanoseconds did it take for Vortex to fully cover the problem?

Leupold just told me that they are running a four, to five week turn around on scopes. That shows me they are loaded with broken scopes. They used to have about half that much turn around time.

you probably will not know about it either. I tested the scopes on a mounting fixture I made and my own tall target. I returned both scopes and bought another nightforce, my hunt was too soon to mess with it.. but both scopes were pretty ,much identical in the problem they showed. Performed same tests with new nightforce no problems

28 years ago i was designing a satellite uplink for during nuke war.
The tech had prototyped a high speed cmos ring counter that was to reset itself on one of the counts.
That reset pulse was 5 nanoseconds wide on the best tektronix scope we could get.

That is the fastest I ever saw anything get done.

I have bought ~ 50 scopes over the last year.
One was a Vortex.......... RZR-1558 Razor HD LH for $700.

That was enough.

A one scope wide pulse.

I’m trying to understand the point this thread has evolved into. I think some dwell in the negative and revel in the downfall of a successful leader. I think its a self esteem issue.

Vortex guy here. Sorry, is that stirring the pot too much?

I'd love another Leupold VX-3 1.5-5x20 for a CZ550FS I plan to have (again) eventually, but aside from that, I don't find much of anything else they offer to be appealing. Since my primary interests lie with the precision crowd more-so than the hunting crowd, I have steered more towards their top-tier offerings (Razor Gen2 and AMG), and have had no issues with those that I've tried. In fact, I like the AMG so much that it's on the top of my "must have again" list for when I can swing another (sold it for an S&B, then sold the S&B to cover some bills). For now, my Bushnell LRHS and LRTS will cover my needs just fine. Leupold used to be at the top for the "tactical" crowd, but they've sat on their butt too long and lost a HUGE share of the market to other players that offer a similar (or often better) product for the same (or sometimes less) amount of money. Hard to argue against that!

the bottom line is the longer I am around, the more I see that most of the lower end stuff is just junk. its designed for guys that shoot half a box of shells in their guns every other year. The fact is most people simply don't shoot all that much. And if they do maybe they only doing it with a few guns. I see comments all the time here about stuff that lends me to know full well that guy doesn't shoot very much. The classic thing is over on predator masters, guys talking about how great .22 cal vmax bullets kill. so yeah the 2 coyotes in the last 5 years you shot died ok. whoopi freaking do!

I will not use a chinese scope even if its given to me. I will give it to my son for his air soft.

leupold can't be trusted for tacking. I showed you guys failing youtube videos on leupolds that cost over $2500 and are marketed at "tactical scopes"

leupold will probably be fine as a set it and forget it scope. but then again so will the other various

LOW produced japanese scopes, like the bushnell elite series, tract toric etc

vortex stuff outside of Razor product is junk too, its either china built, or the last 2 PST2's I tested Philippine manufacturer had canted reticles and exhibited right reticle movement with elevation adjustment.


bottom line its your money buy junk or buy decent its your choice. it may depend on your scopes use, Wanna dial it get a a nightforce or SWFA SS. wanna set it and forget it, see above. be also aware some issues are tuff to see in a scope becaue its blamed on the gun, or less common the shooter. That is another myth. It doesn't take a crack bench rest shooter to shoot 1/2 MOA at 100 yards. I could teach my 13 year old daughter to do it in 30 minutes with the right gun and the right rest.

Last year my nephew's 13 year old daughter needed a .308. I looked in my safe and there were five .308's resting there, one of which had a 12 3/4 length of pull. I said to myself, "this rifle is in the wrong place" and sent it to him for her use. He put a scope (I have no idea which one) on it and took her to the range to sight it in. She sat down at the bench and fired her first shot-an inch to the left of the center. She fired a second shot, looked at the target and asked him where it went. He looked and told her, "Its in the same hole!" She fired a third shot which enlargened the hole a bit. My nephew said all three shots would have been covered by a dime. They then asked if he wanted to shoot it and he said no, he didn't need to. If I had been there and been asked to shoot the rifle after her, I would have said, "I don't need to, it shoots as well as it always does," knowing full well that I never got it to shoot that well for me. My nephew told me he did not think he could shoot as well as his daughter did, either. She now regards it as her rifle and doesn't want any one else shooting it.

Of course it IS a Remington short action 700 with a Jewell trigger, a McMillan Edge stock and a Shilen barrel.


I apologize for the off topic response.

Sitka dumbfuuck, am I wrong??? Prove your stupidity once again.....

Stalking is not the sign of a healthy mind... and your obvious jealousy is just creepy.

And again, dummy, tell everyone how vortex wants to keep the leo, first responder, military discount a secret you fuucking idiot....

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You are not worth it.

I would ignore facts too.... grin

Not saying Vortex won't hold a Zero. The 3 I've owned did not track worth a chit. Self expandatory... Could care less about their warranty.

This, I don’t recall Vortex, NF, Bushnell, Trijicon, Burris, Leupold, USO or any other optics manufacturer that offers industry/mil/Leo/ public service discounts stating that the price was a secret. Hell of the 468 vendors I get my discount through not a 1 has said to keep the price secret that I can recall, just not supposed to buy for others not that anyone ever would........

This seems to be the feelings about almost everyone who’s owned one except Sitka Deer. I’ve owned 7 Vipers and sent 6 down the road. The last one sits on a custom 204 bench gun that doesn’t get shot much.

Vortex hasn’t proven itself to be any better than most other scope manufacturers turning out dope dialing scopes. Failure is failure! I could give a schit whether a scope company is number 1, 2 or 10th highest in sales revenues. It’s not money in my pocket but the other way around...My money is going to buy a scope.

I would expect it to be of the quality I paid for in dollars and continue to work as advertised. I don’t care who’s pumping the Vortex “Pom-poms” on this thread...😎

Every Podunk redneck hunter on the planet wants one because " [bleep] bro if I run it over with my truck Vortex replaces it!" Really? FLMAO

I did not say anything about the 40% discount. The stuff started about the 50% and up discounts. The optics dealers do not want the pro staff, guides (though most are at 40%) and such talking about their discounts and they watch that very carefully. They do not want retail counter people talking about their discounts. if someone is caught buying for others in most cases they are kicked out of the program for life.

Vortex is no different in that regard than Leupold, Nikon, Trijicon or about all others.

40% came out of the post I quoted initially. Vortex discount as you know at least for me actually falls into the range you mentioned in the quote above. I don’t know what rules were sent to other groups but the rules/guidelines posted through my access doesn’t mention anything about disclosing the price/discount. Just mentions the no resale, X number of products max per category annually, shipping cost etc.

Perhaps there are other rules for differnt groups, all I can speak to is the rules posted via my access.

I got my first Nightforce in the mail yesterday. Like ole Jed Clampett says, happier than a itchy pig rubbing against a rail fence. The zero stop clutch mechanics is a sweet system. Wee doggies!

Does anyone know why Nightforce says under no circumstances should turn in mounts be used? I get not using the piece of crap rear windage mount. Tube alignment issues?