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Once again, never puked a scope, "and I have twisted turrets", and have never had scope nose or scope brow.... fuuck am I dreaming?????
I also found out a couple weeks ago lead sleds break scopes and stocks!!!! After 15 years and literally 100's of rifles I've never seen it, not 1 time!! Must be living right..... grin
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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One might be the berries on my .218, .223s or perhaps .243, but they are all satisfactorily scoped as I write. No reason to change. I really don't think they will go over with the short eye relief. That can be re-engineered.
"Do not blame Caesar, blame the people...who have...rejoiced in their loss of freedom....Blame the people who hail him when he speaks of the 'new, wonderful, good, society'...to mean ,..living fatly at the expense of the industrious." Cicero
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Once again, never puked a scope, "and I have twisted turrets", and have never had scope nose or scope brow.... fuuck am I dreaming?????
I also found out a couple weeks ago lead sleds break scopes and stocks!!!! After 15 years and literally 100's of rifles I've never seen it, not 1 time!! Must be living right..... grin Not possible. You must not shoot much! Some people just have all the luck?!?!
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In reality, if one mounts their scope correctly for their shooting position/style and has a consistent and proper form, they will not get "scoped" because it becomes nearly impossible for the gun to actually recoil that much without moving the body along with it. I maintain that if someone has gotten scoped, they didn't have it set correctly for their form to begin with, or they have inconsistent form.
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And the obvious target demographic is the same group that would buy the Nightforce NXS 2.5-10x32 if they could afford it and didn't care that it weighs 19 ounces and also has "short" eye relief on high power.
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In reality, if one mounts their scope correctly for their shooting position/style and has a consistent and proper form, they will not get "scoped" because it becomes nearly impossible for the gun to actually recoil that much without moving the body along with it. I maintain that if someone has gotten scoped, they didn't have it set correctly for their form to begin with, or they have inconsistent form.
That may be true... if one shoots from the same static position all the time. You don’t have that option with a “hunting” scope. You need to be able to shoot uphill, downhill, standing, prone, off make-shift rests, left handed, whatever....
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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Once again, never puked a scope, "and I have twisted turrets", and have never had scope nose or scope brow.... fuuck am I dreaming?????
I also found out a couple weeks ago lead sleds break scopes and stocks!!!! After 15 years and literally 100's of rifles I've never seen it, not 1 time!! Must be living right..... grin Not possible. You must not shoot much! Some people just have all the luck?!?! Haha ya I don’t have a 500 yard range in my yard, I don’t carry rifles much, and I don’t hunt much!!! Grin
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Dear SWFA,
Please call the persnickety folks on here and reassure them that your poor designs are really ok for the tactard crowd on a budget.
Also, fix that dead chicken graphic on the side. Or is that a buzzard?
Happy Trails
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In reality, if one mounts their scope correctly for their shooting position/style and has a consistent and proper form, they will not get "scoped" because it becomes nearly impossible for the gun to actually recoil that much without moving the body along with it. I maintain that if someone has gotten scoped, they didn't have it set correctly for their form to begin with, or they have inconsistent form.
I'll call BS on this theory.
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Once again, never puked a scope, "and I have twisted turrets", and have never had scope nose or scope brow.... fuuck am I dreaming?????
I also found out a couple weeks ago lead sleds break scopes and stocks!!!! After 15 years and literally 100's of rifles I've never seen it, not 1 time!! Must be living right..... grin Yeah, but come on, you probably don't use your rifles for lawn darts, dive into foxholes or slip and fall and chuck your rifle over a cliff to save yorself all the time either. A scopes got to be able to take that shyt if you're a "hard charger" you know.
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Well, I've been shooting since I was 5-years old, so that's over 40 years now. Yet to ever get bit by a scope. And I might have shot more than a few times off a pack, prone, prone bipod, and uphill while hanging by my toes. And over two decades of that has been with a very lightweight 30-06 shooting 180 CoreLokts. And for most of those decades, it was with cheap Tasco scopes that didn't have more than 3" of eye relief.
Here's the easy solution: put the scope on low power, measure the eye relief, and set the scope for your consistent mount with head low and down and forward into the gun so that it lines up correctly that way. If you plan to always carry it on say 4x power, then set it that way. Which means the scope will be far forward. When you need to shoot on high power, you won't be able to "crawl the stock" any further forward much anyway, and you won't be able to get enough further forward to get "bit" by the scope. This naturally makes the scope work better in prone positions anyway when you would usually be using the scope on high power and said position tends to force your eye forward slightly. You'll get a natural view of the high power's shorter eye relief and still won't be close enough to the scope to get bit.
I still hold to my prediction: this scope will be the Campfire darling by next year's Tax Day Sale (so long as it is durable, decent glass, bold reticle, etc).
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In reality, if one mounts their scope correctly for their shooting position/style and has a consistent and proper form, they will not get "scoped" because it becomes nearly impossible for the gun to actually recoil that much without moving the body along with it. I maintain that if someone has gotten scoped, they didn't have it set correctly for their form to begin with, or they have inconsistent form.
That may be true... if one shoots from the same static position all the time. You don’t have that option with a “hunting” scope. You need to be able to shoot uphill, downhill, standing, prone, off make-shift rests, left handed, whatever.... Have you personally gotten scope-bit? If so, tell the story and we can diagnose what went wrong.
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In reality, if one mounts their scope correctly for their shooting position/style and has a consistent and proper form, they will not get "scoped" because it becomes nearly impossible for the gun to actually recoil that much without moving the body along with it. I maintain that if someone has gotten scoped, they didn't have it set correctly for their form to begin with, or they have inconsistent form.
I'll call BS on this theory. Have you personally gotten scope-bit? If so, tell the story and we can diagnose what went wrong.
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Once again, never puked a scope, "and I have twisted turrets", and have never had scope nose or scope brow.... fuuck am I dreaming?????
I also found out a couple weeks ago lead sleds break scopes and stocks!!!! After 15 years and literally 100's of rifles I've never seen it, not 1 time!! Must be living right..... grin Yeah, but come on, you probably don't use your rifles for lawn darts, dive into foxholes or slip and fall and chuck your rifle over a cliff to save yorself all the time either. A scopes got to be able to take that shyt if you're a "hard charger" you know. Haha oh ya I’m lucky I kill everything off my couch!!!
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Of course I have. I've been at it since 1971. Inferior eye relief sucks, every time, any where.
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Of course I have. I've been at it since 1971. Inferior eye relief sucks, every time, any where. I guess I started shooting in 70 or 71 and I've never been scope bit. Short eye relief is something I've always been aware of and avoided on anything with recoil to speak of though. Saw my dad get bit bad when I was very young and the blood running down his face left an impression on me that has served me well all these years.
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Of course I have. I've been at it since 1971. Inferior eye relief sucks, every time, any where. Details?
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Steep uphill, unlevel ground, prone.
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That would be the worst-case scenario.
How many inches of eye relief do you feel is minimum for safe shooting?
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That would be the worst-case scenario.
How many inches of eye relief do you feel is minimum for safe shooting?
I know I want alot more on my scoped 12 gauge pump slug gun than I need on my .22's. Eye relief ain't all about what's safe either. Alot is about whether there's enough to position the scope correctly on your rifle without having to resort to some goofy azzed extended rings or picatinny rails.
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