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BH,

I guess there good safety record is because the only walk 50 yards into the woods and spend the day sitting on their azzes waiting for something to come by...……………

LC

Obviously if anyone is really worried about hunting with a hot chamber they damn well better be walking to where they hunt and not climbing into a treestand when they get there. I guess a cold chamber is fine for all the Western hunters who just "hunt" with their azzes plunked in a saddle all day and only dismount to take a potshot at an animal 900 yards away once in awhile.

Everyone gets all worked up over hot vs cold.

JFC if you’re jump shooting big game, go for it I guess. I certainly don’t pack around an empty shotgun when bird hunting.

I was going to bring up the shotgun toting bird hunter issue too. I wonder how many of these jackwagons who won't hunt with a hot chamber when toting a rifle still carry cold when toting a shotgun after grouse, pheasant, woodcock etc..

Apples and oranges. Or if you prefer, bird hunting with a shotgun vs. big game hunting with a rifle. There is a difference.

One will kill you as quick and as dead as the other.

Under some conditions. What if you're 50 yards away? Which would be your preference, a 180 grain bullet out of a .30-06, or a load of #7s?

But the main difference is, if you're bird hunting with an unloaded shotgun and a bird flushes, you're not getting a shot. So if you bird hunt with an empty chamber you may as well stay home.

Not true with big game and a rifle. Not all big game hunters are deer hunters in the woods of New York, jumping deer and taking shots at running deer.

By far most hunting accients, take place at ranges measured in feet, not yards. I haven't shot at a running deer in many years. If you're a "stillhunter" and you're jumping deer and taking running shots with any regularity, you're doing it wrong, plain and simple.

Everything you said is true. And 100% irrelevant to the main point I was making which seems to have gone undetected. So I'll repeat it:

Trying to chamber a round when you're 30 -50 feet from a deer ain't the best thing to insure success either. Einstein.

I heard about that one!

I said "big game with a rifle." Not "still hunting in thick timber with a rifle."

Oppenheimer.

I once hunted big game wih a rifle where I didn't chamber a round for the first 8 days of the hunt, and I was never in danger of missing a shot opportunity. Sheep hunting in AK, above timberline. we saw sheep every day, just didn't get within range until day 9.

Not everyone still hunts in thick timber.

Nitpicking. Einstein.

Hardly, Forrest.

And you know it cannot be done regularly because you have never tried?

Having shot a number of deer in NY. I happen to know it can be done easily.

We call stillhunting in thick timber big game hunting here in the East. In fact, most "big game" hunting takes place in thick timber around here and since there are far more hunters in the East than the West it's certainly relevant. Jackwagon.

Certainly not always it can't and you'd know that and admit it if you tried it very often and were not a liar {yeah right}. I've had them spook instantly at the snick of a safety. Any unnecesary noise or movement is likely to get you busted when they're really close. If that weren't the case, bowhunters wouldn't expend nearly as much energy making sure their equipment is as close to dead silent on the draw and release as possible. And BTW, the number of deer you've shot in NY is but a fraction of what I have, I guarantee it.

You're talking to someone who grew up hunting back east in thick woods with a .30-30. I've done plenty of still hunting with a round in the chamber. And I never said you or anyone else shouldn't do it.

Yet you continue to state the obvious with a sense of discovery, and talk about your particular style of hunting in your particular locale as if it's the be-all end-all. Stillhunting in thick timber is one style of big game hunting among many. There are lots of other ways to hunt where a round in the chamber buys you nothing but the chance for an accidental discharge. It's a shame your point of view is so narrow as to not recognize that.

I'm sure there are many circumstaces where it's perfectly viable. Never said there wasn't. My point was that it's not nearly as viable for many, maybe even the majority in the East, which is a substantial percentage of hunters overall.

And again you know this because you have never tried it... got it.