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https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2...-finally-stopped-by-a-glock-10mm-pistol/

I don’t know what he had for cartridges but this kind of negates all the nonsense that the G20 has more stopping power because it carries more cartridges albeit all at lower energy. I think the guys that say “I got 10,500 ft pounds of energy in this pistol with 15 cartridges” are just wrong. That is assuming they are using buffalo bore cartridges with their 220’s at about 700 ft pounds per shot. Granted I don’t know what cartridges this man was using but even a 44 magnum carrying 6 340 grain buffalo bore at only 9600 ft or about 1600 ft pounds per shot and a hell of a lot more penetration, could possibly have been a better solution, of coarse a 454 even better.

Couldn’t or wouldn’t ?

You hope who is OK?

In my eexperience when useing a handgun on large dangerous animals revolvers with large diameter flat point hardcast of proper hardness or Punch bullets that penetrate very deep and leave large diameter wound channels than smaller diameter cartridges is superior. Not saying the smaller caliber rounds can’t work, just in my experience there is less margin for error.

Forget about foot pounds of energy as it doesn’t rate the wound channel or penetration accurately.

I've heard tell that a 9 mm. In the right hands will kill a charging grizzly. At least in Alaska.

i guess so but here a 10mm at point blank range.

This thread is disgusting.

The guy that's dead. Can't you read?

Sheesh...

How do you fully prepare to hunt or hike in bear country?

Ya, but is the intrepid gentleman involved anxious for round two?

Might be even the Injuns would call that a lunatic stunt

Some of this assumes you can control the big guns recoil after the first shot, anything more than a 44 mag is HARD for me to control in rapid fire. And it also assumes in a panic, you won't pop off 6 misses. We continue to carry the 10 these days. More chances. After all its what you hit more so than what with, to a point and since Phil killed the charging brown bear with his 9mm all this mine is bigger than yours is kind of moot. Once we found the shot through a chrome bumper every time I was more than impressed....thinking the bear skull isn't any harder than a bumper...

I don't think you could call it that. One of the most experienced brown bears guides there is, and he chose to carry the weapon that he used to successfully put down the bear that charged his client.

That says more than 25 pages of internet blather on the subject.

Not that it has anything to do with the subject of the original post, or the fact that there is a Gofundme page set up for the guide who had five children.

Grizzly skulls aren't thick, but while the brain is still working, it is deadly. This is a skull from a 7 foot griz I shot when I was a kid. The hole is from a 25-35, which isn't considered much of a hunting cartridge, but it can kill a grizzly.

The revolver I carry when I hunt with a bow is a S&W 686+ which has 7 rounds of 357 magnum. Any round from any cartridge that ends up in the dirt won't deter a bear. It is better to have a gun that you can shoot and shoot well.

I love it when people from Rhode Island, Arkansas and Missouri tell how to live in Grizzly country...

A sidearm belongs on your side. Pretty dumb guide.

Nice shot, Sir.

I'll add Mountain Lions to that.

What a terrible tragedy. My prayers go out for his little ones.

Pretty dumb comment given the circumstances.

Handy 44mag sidearm on the side, 12 gauge loaded with 000 and slugs, and a partner with the same setup is how I’d go in. But first off I have no desire to go into the bear woods so I’m just putting some ideas out. Tragic situation for sure.

Shrapnel, I do not even know what I don’t know, nor would I pretend to have any knowledge, I like that pistol you have! On the other hand the new custom shop deluxe 629 with 3 inch barrel looks a lot like your 357.

I am guessing this 400 pound black bear did not have any bumpers.