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Why the need for a Creedmoore when the 6.5 Swede loaded to equal pressures exceeds the Creed in velocity with less compression?
Could factories safely produce your load and sell them with the knowledge of older military rifles so chambered that do not meet today's engineering or metallurgy standards? I've wonder why they don't update cartridges to modern pressures myself. They did it with the 30-06 so why not the 6.5x55 or .257 Roberts. I'm sure there are others that could be uploaded to safe pressures for modern guns. The 30-06 doesn't have a warning not to use it in guns made in 1906, but then they might not have a reason for new cartridges. Correct me if lm wrong, but I don't think the 30-06 is factory loaded to the same pressures as the 270 win, or the 308 win.
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Oh boy, don't let Barsness see this post........ https://gunsmagazine.com/why-the-6-5-creedmoor/Biggest advantages I see to the Creedmoor is a long neck and shoulder angle that goes a long ways towards preserving barrel life, rifles that are twisted to accommodate heavy bullets that are increasingly popular among loonys, and a lot of factory ammo offerings. that makes too much sense. campfire will never buy that excuse.
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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It's the 22-250 all growed up and matured. it's the .250 Savage everyone has been begging for for years! please please please....can't someone bring out the 250 savage in a range of rifles cheap to expensive but have them be accurate?
please please please....can't someone bring out the 250 savage in a range of ammunition cheap to expensive but have them be accurate?
please please please....can't someone bring out .257 projectiles in a range of weights suitable for hunting and target shooting?
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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Oh boy, don't let Barsness see this post........ https://gunsmagazine.com/why-the-6-5-creedmoor/Biggest advantages I see to the Creedmoor is a long neck and shoulder angle that goes a long ways towards preserving barrel life, rifles that are twisted to accommodate heavy bullets that are increasingly popular among loonys, and a lot of factory ammo offerings. that makes too much sense. campfire will never buy that excuse. Lol...that would make sense to me to if the guys wearing Creedmoor capes actually shot their rifles.
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Who needs a 260 (sold it), a 6.5 CM (have 2), or a 6.5x55 (just picked one up) when you have a 256 Newton? 😎
P.S. I still think real hunting bullets start with a 200gr .308 Partition.
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Heads will explode when the new 27 CM hits the market. Now there is an idea!!
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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benchrest shooters found a little more accuratcy at 1000yds with the creedmoor and everyone automaticly thinks its the greatest thing ever.as a hunting round its no better than most other calibers.take your pic for hunting 223-300winmag. they all kill
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I still say the biggest "advantage" is what's on the ammo shelf. Custom rifles and handloads throw all that out the window.
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My son has decided against the CM.
You guy have convinced him that the Swede will do everything the CM can do and then some.
Thanks for all the help.
Now, what to buy, what to buy, that is the question.
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Well, there's.. no, discontinued
How about..... no, not that one either
There was a special run of... sold out
Walmart had some..... oops, that was a Creedmoor
Seriously, there's the Barrett Fieldcraft, CZ 557, probably Tikkas and Sakos, maybe some falling block Rugers or Wichesters on Gunbroker. Just gonna have to look around some. Good luck.
What fresh Hell is this?
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Nine simple letters - 5 consonants, 4 vowels (when not consistently butchered in prose).
I don't recall a single word that's gotten so many undies in a bunch here like the word Creedmoor. By Crackies, that is the truth!
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A Swede can do what a Creed can do, and then some?
Mmmmm......ok
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A Swede can do what a Creed can do, and then some?
Mmmmm......ok Higher velocity and the ability to shoot the 160's with ease.
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I still say the biggest "advantage" is what's on the ammo shelf. Custom rifles and handloads throw all that out the window. It's biggest advantage is that it apparently sells, and when that plateaus out they will come up with the next you-beaut wonder of the moment to make a buck, and while the companies are making a buck they will keep selling stuff I want.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Who gives a [bleep] about shooting 160's?
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Just wait. Those scheming marketing guys Hornady and Ruger are likely conspiring to trick people again. They’re gonna add the 30* shoulder and blow out the case on the 6.5x55, and load it to modern pressures.
It's really gonna spin people up, especially those with Swedes or 6.5-06s, especially since it’ll be called the 6.5 Sweedmoor.... 🤣.
The creedmoor is a slick setup, and basically does what my 8 twisted 260 does, and I can buy cheap accurate ammo to bang away with instead of spending more time at the loading bench.
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Who gives a [bleep] about shooting 160's? Those that have rifles chambered in cartridges that can handle them, like the Swede.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Yes - if you look at SAAMI the creedmore freebore or distance to the lands is shorter than others..
At the end of the day “will it shoot” off the shelf for any combination of bullet weight you throw at it (not considering tolerances of the maker).. - is based off can you optimize kissing the lands in the case without seating the bullet base beyond the neck should junction, with decent neck ...
The Creed was built based on this.... in normal magazine sizes (considering OAL that is).
the Swede has a very long freebore to those lands are way out... but that means magazine problems that MD talked about...
So the creed’s claim to fame is not wrong - it’s optimized.... so Off the shelf rifles and ammo have a darn good shot at performing well.
Then you have the non-hunting effects kick in... small primers w/small holes for hunting... um NOPE... (stick with large primers)
The Creed shoulder also feeds rougher than a Swede or 260....
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I forgot about all the 160 bullets available. Both of them.
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