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Thanks for posting this great post. Yes : some feel a shorter barrel is best for moose and maybe so ? when I buy this standard Remington 700 7 mag.ss 26 inch barrel I may sell when I am done using this rifle ? so I will buy and use what sells best at my shop The Alaskan moose hunters I will be with prefer and like to use a 7 rem. mag. so that`s what I will use, caliber-cartridge I don`t care I am flexible on what cartridge to use in a bolt rifle ,but it will be with my handloads and a Nightforce scope . Have I hunted moose nope but I have killed plenty deer,elk ,pigs,black bears with a bow and arrow,so when I go to Alaska with a rifle I think I will do just fine and my sharp knife will do the rest.
Yup, that'll work too.  My long barrel 7 Mag would be one of my LAST choices for a dedicated moose rifle, but it worked no doubt. Best of luck on your hunt. THANK YOU and I sure did enjoy what you posted, I am also surprised not much negative posts yet or cocky ones either ? I guess your knowledge has slowed them down some.
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At this point in this thread, we need someone to C&P the post from artsy’s buddy from AOD about where to shoot a moose depending on how far you want it to walk.
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At this point in this thread, we need someone to C&P the post from artsy’s buddy from AOD about where to shoot a moose depending on how far you want it to walk. You left out the parts about which direction it will walk in, too...
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Go find it! It was hilarious!
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Go find it! It was hilarious! That got scrubbed a long time ago... I believe he was the first, last, and only "Poster of the Year" over there. The Power went to his head though!  That and the "Ballistic Guru" Murph that does not know how bullets stabilize... made the place great for laughing at the ridiculous. Besides I got banned for explaining how stuff really worked.
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That makes sense. 
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I've only read this one page of comments, but I'll add that I will be going back to a 338 caliber next year. I decided to moose hunt with my 6.5CM this year and ended up shooting one near the river. It collapsed at the shoulder shot (127 lrx), but managed to get up and into the river before I could put another in his neck. Did manage to wrangle him to shore and butcher him in thigh deep glacial water.
On dry land the Creed would be no problem, but on the river, I'll take the 210 grain bullet
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I've only read this one page of comments, but I'll add that I will be going back to a 338 caliber next year. I decided to moose hunt with my 6.5CM this year and ended up shooting one near the river. It collapsed at the shoulder shot (127 lrx), but managed to get up and into the river before I could put another in his neck. Did manage to wrangle him to shore and butcher him in thigh deep glacial water.
On dry land the Creed would be no problem, but on the river, I'll take the 210 grain bullet I wonder how many of those would be prevented by moving up a bit in diameter. I would guess some, but not as many as many think.
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On dry land the Creed would be no problem, but on the river, I'll take the 210 grain bullet What will you move up to when one gets in the river after one or more of the 210 grainers?
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As they say in real estate...
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On dry land the Creed would be no problem, but on the river, I'll take the 210 grain bullet What will you move up to when one gets in the river after one or more of the 210 grainers? Best just pack some dry tinder and a towel... 
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Pittu, I'm not certain 210 grain bullets would accomplish what you're trying to do, which is instantaneous anchoring of a moose. The 210 grain will act much like the 30 caliber magnums and 180 grainers, with excessive velocity, essentially turning meat to a bloodshot mess with the wrong shot. If you slow that bugger down with a 250 grainer or better yet, a Swift 275 grainer, you'll have better luck cleanly knocking out bone. Two of the quickest kills I've had on big bull moose, was sending a 275 grain woodleigh clear through both front quarters of a 55" racked bull. Another was a head-on shot that hit the base of the neck, busted a bunch of bone, and was found stuck in the diaphragm, badly distorted. This was at 2200 fps from a 358 Winchester hand-load. That 57" racked bull dropped right in front of a fast, deep chute of white water on the Kandik River, the head and one antler fell in the deep, fast water. The fast chute of water blasted into a nasty, splintered mess of a wood-pile, filled into a cut bank. Had the moose not dropped, recovery would've been risky. If you go back to the medium bore, rather than be choosey about your typical lung shot with the smaller 20 calibers, break clear through the front quarter bones with the bigger, heavier bullets, resulting in no blood-shot meat. I'd imagine that you'd be setting at 2400-2500 fps with the 275 grainer. Should be a clean deal. Any medium bore cartridge firing bullets at 2200-2500 fps, it's a perfect combination of range, killing power, penetration and lack of blood-shot meat. A good 30 caliber with a 220 grain breaks out bone well too, if you go to 9:24 of this video, an old customer of mine who bought one of my boats, appears to have broken out the front end of a very large bull. You can tell the bull wanted to move forward, but simply couldn't get his front end to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1vwTPYa2M&list=PL_fotv96Eswd88PSfDBssW551-CqtqNQ0a 30-06 or 308 with a 220 grain partition will very cleanly break the entire front end out of a large bear or moose. I dunno, but Nosler sure did a good job designing that 30 caliber gem.
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Pittu, I'm not certain 210 grain bullets would accomplish what you're trying to do, which is instantaneous anchoring of a moose. The 210 grain will act much like the 30 caliber magnums and 180 grainers, with excessive velocity, essentially turning meat to a bloodshot mess with the wrong shot. If you slow that bugger down with a 250 grainer or better yet, a Swift 275 grainer, you'll have better luck cleanly knocking out bone. Two of the quickest kills I've had on big bull moose, was sending a 275 grain woodleigh clear through both front quarters of a 55" racked bull. Another was a head-on shot that hit the base of the neck, busted a bunch of bone, and was found stuck in the diaphragm, badly distorted. This was at 2200 fps from a 358 Winchester hand-load. That 57" racked bull dropped right in front of a fast, deep chute of white water on the Kandik River, the head and one antler fell in the deep, fast water. The fast chute of water blasted into a nasty, splintered mess of a wood-pile, filled into a cut bank. Had the moose not dropped, recovery would've been risky. If you go back to the medium bore, rather than be choosey about your typical lung shot with the smaller 20 calibers, break clear through the front quarter bones with the bigger, heavier bullets, resulting in no blood-shot meat. I'd imagine that you'd be setting at 2400-2500 fps with the 275 grainer. Should be a clean deal. Any medium bore cartridge firing bullets at 2200-2500 fps, it's a perfect combination of range, killing power, penetration and lack of blood-shot meat. A good 30 caliber with a 220 grain breaks out bone well too, if you go to 9:24 of this video, an old customer of mine who bought one of my boats, appears to have broken out the front end of a very large bull. You can tell the bull wanted to move forward, but simply couldn't get his front end to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1vwTPYa2M&list=PL_fotv96Eswd88PSfDBssW551-CqtqNQ0a 30-06 or 308 with a 220 grain partition will very cleanly break the entire front end out of a large bear or moose. I dunno, but Nosler sure did a good job designing that 30 caliber gem. Sorry, but bigger, slower bullets have shown far more bloodshot meat than any other combo. Broken bones make the mess a lot worse. Give me a light for caliber mono pushed fast through the high shoulder... I have been loading the 210 TTSX for a couple 338s for many years (including prior iterations) and it has performed beautifully.
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Pittu, I'm not certain 210 grain bullets would accomplish what you're trying to do, which is instantaneous anchoring of a moose. The 210 grain will act much like the 30 caliber magnums and 180 grainers, with excessive velocity, essentially turning meat to a bloodshot mess with the wrong shot. If you slow that bugger down with a 250 grainer or better yet, a Swift 275 grainer, you'll have better luck cleanly knocking out bone. Two of the quickest kills I've had on big bull moose, was sending a 275 grain woodleigh clear through both front quarters of a 55" racked bull. Another was a head-on shot that hit the base of the neck, busted a bunch of bone, and was found stuck in the diaphragm, badly distorted. This was at 2200 fps from a 358 Winchester hand-load. That 57" racked bull dropped right in front of a fast, deep chute of white water on the Kandik River, the head and one antler fell in the deep, fast water. The fast chute of water blasted into a nasty, splintered mess of a wood-pile, filled into a cut bank. Had the moose not dropped, recovery would've been risky. If you go back to the medium bore, rather than be choosey about your typical lung shot with the smaller 20 calibers, break clear through the front quarter bones with the bigger, heavier bullets, resulting in no blood-shot meat. I'd imagine that you'd be setting at 2400-2500 fps with the 275 grainer. Should be a clean deal. Any medium bore cartridge firing bullets at 2200-2500 fps, it's a perfect combination of range, killing power, penetration and lack of blood-shot meat. A good 30 caliber with a 220 grain breaks out bone well too, if you go to 9:24 of this video, an old customer of mine who bought one of my boats, appears to have broken out the front end of a very large bull. You can tell the bull wanted to move forward, but simply couldn't get his front end to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1vwTPYa2M&list=PL_fotv96Eswd88PSfDBssW551-CqtqNQ0a 30-06 or 308 with a 220 grain partition will very cleanly break the entire front end out of a large bear or moose. I dunno, but Nosler sure did a good job designing that 30 caliber gem. Sorry, but bigger, slower bullets have shown far more bloodshot meat than any other combo. Broken bones make the mess a lot worse. Give me a light for caliber mono pushed fast through the high shoulder... I have been loading the 210 TTSX for a couple 338s for many years (including prior iterations) and it has performed beautifully. If that’s true, post some pics of these so-called awesome bullets.
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Pittu, I'm not certain 210 grain bullets would accomplish what you're trying to do, which is instantaneous anchoring of a moose. The 210 grain will act much like the 30 caliber magnums and 180 grainers, with excessive velocity, essentially turning meat to a bloodshot mess with the wrong shot. If you slow that bugger down with a 250 grainer or better yet, a Swift 275 grainer, you'll have better luck cleanly knocking out bone. Two of the quickest kills I've had on big bull moose, was sending a 275 grain woodleigh clear through both front quarters of a 55" racked bull. Another was a head-on shot that hit the base of the neck, busted a bunch of bone, and was found stuck in the diaphragm, badly distorted. This was at 2200 fps from a 358 Winchester hand-load. That 57" racked bull dropped right in front of a fast, deep chute of white water on the Kandik River, the head and one antler fell in the deep, fast water. The fast chute of water blasted into a nasty, splintered mess of a wood-pile, filled into a cut bank. Had the moose not dropped, recovery would've been risky. If you go back to the medium bore, rather than be choosey about your typical lung shot with the smaller 20 calibers, break clear through the front quarter bones with the bigger, heavier bullets, resulting in no blood-shot meat. I'd imagine that you'd be setting at 2400-2500 fps with the 275 grainer. Should be a clean deal. Any medium bore cartridge firing bullets at 2200-2500 fps, it's a perfect combination of range, killing power, penetration and lack of blood-shot meat. A good 30 caliber with a 220 grain breaks out bone well too, if you go to 9:24 of this video, an old customer of mine who bought one of my boats, appears to have broken out the front end of a very large bull. You can tell the bull wanted to move forward, but simply couldn't get his front end to work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1vwTPYa2M&list=PL_fotv96Eswd88PSfDBssW551-CqtqNQ0a 30-06 or 308 with a 220 grain partition will very cleanly break the entire front end out of a large bear or moose. I dunno, but Nosler sure did a good job designing that 30 caliber gem. Sorry, but bigger, slower bullets have shown far more bloodshot meat than any other combo. Broken bones make the mess a lot worse. Give me a light for caliber mono pushed fast through the high shoulder... I have been loading the 210 TTSX for a couple 338s for many years (including prior iterations) and it has performed beautifully. If that’s true, post some pics of these so-called awesome bullets. Actually can post a few he has recovered... most are shy...
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Sorry, but bigger, slower bullets have shown far more bloodshot meat than any other combo. Broken bones make the mess a lot worse.
Give me a light for caliber mono pushed fast through the high shoulder...
I have been loading the 210 TTSX for a couple 338s for many years (including prior iterations) and it has performed beautifully.
meh.... .512 450gr at 1300fps from my 500 Linebaugh pistol. I could eat right up to the hole on this bull. Could have eaten the hole too except it was full of hair. Same results on Sitka Blacktail with 355gr .452 at 1200fps from my 45 Colt. The deer shot wilh 338, 7mm, 375 were bloodshot all to hades. My 3 bucks had nice clean holes you eat right up to. With 15 skinned deer hanging side by side it was obvious which ones were hit with high velocity projectiles and which were hit with slow and heavy hunks of lead. A big, heavy slow boolit punches a nice clean hole. It's possible your mono-solids aren't mushrooming so your just punching a caliber sized hole. Broken bones are a good thing. ![[Linked Image]](https://image.ibb.co/jjGvfq/P9150025.jpg)
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Sorry, but bigger, slower bullets have shown far more bloodshot meat than any other combo. Broken bones make the mess a lot worse.
Give me a light for caliber mono pushed fast through the high shoulder...
I have been loading the 210 TTSX for a couple 338s for many years (including prior iterations) and it has performed beautifully.
meh.... .512 450gr at 1300fps from my 500 Linebaugh pistol. I could eat right up to the hole on this bull. Could have eaten the hole too except it was full of hair. Same results on Sitka Blacktail with 355gr .452 at 1200fps from my 45 Colt. The deer shot wilh 338, 7mm, 375 were bloodshot all to hades. My 3 bucks had nice clean holes you eat right up to. With 15 skinned deer hanging side by side it was obvious which ones were hit with high velocity projectiles and which were hit with slow and heavy hunks of lead. A big, heavy slow boolit punches a nice clean hole. It's possible your mono-solids aren't mushrooming so your just punching a caliber sized hole. Broken bones are a good thing. Disabusing you of your fantasies is not my issue.
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Sorry, but bigger, slower bullets have shown far more bloodshot meat than any other combo. Broken bones make the mess a lot worse.
Give me a light for caliber mono pushed fast through the high shoulder...
I have been loading the 210 TTSX for a couple 338s for many years (including prior iterations) and it has performed beautifully.
meh.... .512 450gr at 1300fps from my 500 Linebaugh pistol. I could eat right up to the hole on this bull. Could have eaten the hole too except it was full of hair. Same results on Sitka Blacktail with 355gr .452 at 1200fps from my 45 Colt. The deer shot wilh 338, 7mm, 375 were bloodshot all to hades. My 3 bucks had nice clean holes you eat right up to. With 15 skinned deer hanging side by side it was obvious which ones were hit with high velocity projectiles and which were hit with slow and heavy hunks of lead. A big, heavy slow boolit punches a nice clean hole. It's possible your mono-solids aren't mushrooming so your just punching a caliber sized hole. Broken bones are a good thing. Disabusing you of your fantasies is not my issue. Sorry to have bothered you your excellency, my mistake. I see you have over 36000 posts here so I will defer to your online armchair expertise.
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The 338-06 with 225gr would be perfect almost the 338 Win Mag.
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