Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Why/How does the Creedmoor out run the 260 & 6.5x55?

Black Hills .308 match ammo. used to be like that. Haven't bought any in a while.

Rick,

A PH friend who owns a big sporting goods store in Kimberley, RSA tells me basically the same thing.

But don't forget, it's still just a fad!

(sarcasm intended)

Yep.

Sorta like smokeless powder....

That, too, was said to be a passing fad...

DF

A Creed done as a classic stalking rifle would really float my boat. Maybe I could get a FAUX Ruger done this way by J Renner. http://www.rjrenner.com/pre-war-77.html

It would be good for all the small to medium Boky's on a plains or ranch hunt.

I bet there’s an old shoebox somewhere from the 1920’s..... full of hand-written letters between old WWI buddies..... bitching about that “new-fangled .270 Winchester” fad. “It’ll never catch on”.... “how’s it better than my Krag”..... etc....

Interesting premise.

Don't ya know those conversations occurred. People don't like change, tend to cling to what they're comfortable with. Not much different today.

DF

The .30-30 (excuse me, the .30 W.C.F.) upset a LOT of hunters in the 1890's. And then when some were just getting used to the .30-30, Winchester brought out that damned .270, which no real hunter needed because the .30-30 was plenty.

Of course, the radical 6.5x55 had already been around for over 30 years when the .270 appeared--but in 1925 even the Swedsih and Norwegian armies hadn't gotten around to loading 139-grain spitzers in it. sticking to the tried-and-true 156 roundnose.

The 6.5 CM is just part of the ongoing evolution. It's the latest cool thing which will be replaced at some point by another cool thing.

The lesson is that the gun manufacturers, ammunition makers and engineers have to work together to produce better shooting system - the cartridge and rifle. History has seen its share of good ideas that failed because of poor execution.

Now, let's clog. And remember, everyone has to work together to make things work.

Steve, they're good.

Are they Canucks from your neck of the woods?

DF

I don't know where they are from, but you're right, they are good.

"Tap This" is the name of the Lincoln, Neb group.

Checked it out on line.

DF

It should have been...

I just threw up a little.......


I have 2 mzl s which are mine and 2 which were my Dad's. STAY in the closet.......no clean..... no stink.


Jerry

This thread is a very interesting read.

I think there are different reasons why a person winds up with one-or-another version of the 6.5mm cartridges.

In the last year, one of my buddies who only owned a 30-30 wanted to add a bolt-action rifle to his safe, and asked my opinion on which to buy.
I had him get a 6.5 creed, because I knew he didn't reload, and I wanted to have him save some bucks on getting a very accurate rifle that would have a good supply of decent off-the-shelf ammo in his vicinity.
He spent less that 300 bucks and has a great shooter... he is delighted.

I personally like the history behind the 6.5x55 swede, and that's what I chose to shoot... I reload, and knew that I could dial in a decent load with a modern action and good barrel.
Mission accomplished, am shooting sub MOA and like the fact that the round has been here since the 1890's....

So, different strokes for different folks.
It's all good.

how many grains of 26 are you using, for my reference. I just bought some 26 to try in my swede

51.5 gr. with the 129-130s for just around 2,950 fps.. Many are loading more but I found R26 to be spikey pressure wise over 90F degrees which I sometimes encounter hunting. Mule Deer said just about anything will show more pressure in hot weather some just less. Check the Berger and Speer data as it will keep you from redlining with R26 which doesn't show traditional pressure signs until you are way up there, doubly so in modern cases and especially in the AI's. I consider the Swede a modern case design.

Also put some heat on the load Winchesters or Federal 215Ms. Seems to act like a ball powder even in moderate sized cases. The Magnum primer reduced ES & SD for whatever that is worth.

I ended up buying 2 6.5's in the span of a month. The first one is an old Carl Gustav m96. However I can't run super hot loads in it, because it's an old Military rifle. Primarily the only reason the 6.5 creed outruns the Swede. This is how it does with iron sights, after I put a taller front sight blade on it:



100 yard targets

Then I was wanting another 6.5, so I chose the Creed. Still working on breaking the barrel in and load development, but this is how it's shooting:


I think you advised your friend well. For me, I like each 6.5 equally. They serve 2 different purposes and work equally well...

There is simply nothing as plug and play in a 2.815 mag box.

The 6.5 CM has factory ammo available in Walmart that is suitable for bull elk beyond 500yds.

Federal Gold Medal Berger with the 130gr Hybrid. It's hot for a self loader.

I was wondering about those loads for game and our Walmart is stocked with it.