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They weren't fighting them because they were being strong armed. If you know the difference between PROFIT and PROFIT MARGIN, you'd see where insurance companies are. But as always there are exceptions, and cronyism, was rampant, like with AARP. Most, were losing their shirts and that is why they were pulling out of states in droves.

The US spends 6-7% of GDP more on Healthcare then all other 1st world nations... Thats 2x US military budget just as profits into insurance, medical and Pharma companies.

The US spends 18% compared to 11%.. get worse outcomes in basically everything, with hundreds of thousands of medical bankrupcies each year and tens of thousands of lives cut short, compared to other 1st world nations.

...and if it weren't for the U.S. and it's never ending innovations in the healthcare field, we'd still be relying on leeches and voodoo.

Obviously the MORON has no clue about profits and profit MARGIN and where insurance companies are.

Right... The US is the only country that has a functional research facilities, colleges and Pharma corps....

Right right... let me rephrase that.. Private insurance, Private Hospitals and Pharma wastes 7-8% of the US GDP each year in less coverage, sicker people, more deaths, more bankruptcies then any other 1st world nation.

Almost a $Trillion in waste each year due to Private Healthcare!

I rec you move to a safer place. I dont guess you have a clue as to the inner city dumbass dimocraps drs are supposed to take care of. You also have no clue as to the numbers of dope heads dying in this nation due to your buds demands for open borders.
I have plenty of patients with diabetic vascular disease who wont give up smoking, beer or flour tortillas.

Youre a dumb fucgk.

Your kind want addictive illegal drugs, kids having addicted babys and long life spans. LOL, you stupid bastid.

So you believe the government bureaucracy could provide superior care and more efficiently than the private sector.LOL

Numbnuts has obviously never tried to get an appointment with the VA if he even remotely thinks that the government can run a program efficiently. Takes 6 months to get an appointment for annual exam, two months to get a hearing aid turned in for repair, another month to repair and I keep standing appts every two months for that reason now

That is why all the canadians and Brits have death panels now and come to the US for treatment. VA and the Union made an agreement that doctors cannot file electronic claims in year 2018, have to do it by paper so union employees can scan them into the system and slow roll payments so it fails. My ortho practice was owed half million when they quit taking VA. My knee replacement surgery approval would have take 6-12 months to get from VA.

The Swedes pay 50-61% in individual taxes, 9 % in a VAT tax and business only pay 15% max as they understood they had to make businesses survive. Plus no state taxes. That is exactly opposite of what the Demoncrats are calling for. We have 49% that pay ZERO taxes. That is major reason why that crap will never work here. Can you see CA, NY and NJ giving up state taxes and Demoncrats calling for minimum 50% tax on everyone while lowering business taxes. The libtard lemmings will tar and feather them.

[quoteRight... The US is the only country that has a functional research facilities, colleges and Pharma corps....][/quote]
Yeah...pretty much.

You want free healthcare? Join the military, or move to one of the chithole countries you'd like us to emulate.

Since all other 1st world nations does it, and have better outcomes then the US system. Yes.
They also save 6-7% of their GDP compared to the US system.

Then emigrate already!!!!

So you are fine with the fact that 7% of the US GDP is flushed down the drain each year, because you dont belive in Government run healthcare.
Even if its a proven fact, all over the world to be a superior model.

Aah.. the fiscal responsible party... Hahaha..

I have many patients who have worked all their life without a college degree or high paying job NoMan. They took home 1800-2800 bucks a month and paid 743 a month for health insurance.

Now they would have to pay $1250/mo and are still working 6 days a week and now have no health insurance you lying piece of schiett. They cant afford health insurance now.

Now we have 30 million working poor who can no longer afford health insurance you lying piece of schiett.

Surgeons who wish to continue treating medicare patients are closing their offices due to impending financial ruin and going to work for hospitals. Other Drs are going to work for jack in the box er clinics who will not treat medicare patients.

None of my dr patients have kids who are going to be drs (as opposed to many years ago) except for one who is studying to be a dentist.

One of my female patients got her license to practice Pediatric Medicine. After tabulating her expected annual income due to a high medicade population and considering the exhorbitant cost of opening, equiping and staffing a clinic she elected to take a job as a life flight nurse in Ca.

You are nothing more than a stupid gullible fool who swallows the msm and dnc line of BS fed to you. Sorry if the truth hurts.

PS: Get a clue. You are a dumbfuk because its what you prefer, not because the truth isnt available.

PS: Get a clue. The KKK were dimocraps.

Yeah.. because Republicans destroyed the Affordable Care Act.. after they destroyed the Affordable Care Act.

The Affordable care act slowed down the price increases.. while Republican run states refused to implement it, ruing it for everybody.


The Dems, took a Republican plan, implemented it, after Republicans got to put in to much junk into the bill, then spent 7 years trying to destroy their own plans, and during those 7 years had NO back up plan. They are a party without a plan.. just complain complain complain...


In other 1st world nations, they pay almost 1/2 in healthcare costs, go the the doctor whenever they want or need, live longer, get better care, better advice, cheaper medications, don´t pay out of pocket for surgeries... and whenever they have to wait for a surgery, when they can´t work, they get most of their paychecks covered by the state until they are done with the surgery,

All the while paying almost 1/2 compared to the US.




Now the Reps wet dream would be total Free market Healthcare system... how much more would say it could save by doing it?
US spends 17% of GDP
Other 1st world nations pays 9-11% of GDP?
Totally Free market : 5-6-7-8%


You are willing to forgo a savings of 5-7% of US GDP, that covers EVERY single America, from birth to their deaths, just so you can get a theoretical savings of 2-3% more?


Keep in mind no other Nation has a completely free market system... must be a reason for it. No?

Keep sucking CNN cock. Youre good at it.

Oh, btw, remind us how dimocommies dont want our guns.

Superior model? Hahaha, yourself. Rationing, minimalist treatment, lack of choice? I believe GB has a VAT of what, 20% to cover their public system. That's not cheap, mister. Hospitals there, by my witness have 20+ bed wards, and are 1950s standards. Testing that is routine here will not be routine there. Poor risk patients are covered for "elective" procedures - which could be your 80 year old mother needing heart bypass or a hip replacement. 8 months wait to get an MRI IF you are approved. >You will search long and hard to find an Anglo doctor in a hospital in GB.

No thanks!

Just a reminder, Walt:


HEALTH CARE AROUND THE WORLD INTERNATIONAL HEALTH CARE SYSTEMS
Health Care Around the World: Great Britain
April 23, 2018Jason Shafrin11 Comments
Great Britain represents all that is good and bad with centralized, single-payer health care systems. Health care spending is fairly low (7.5% of GDP) and very equitable. Long wait lists for treatment, however are endemic and rationing pervades the system. Patients have little choice of provider and little access to specialists.
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Percent Insured. ~100%

Funding. Great Britain has a single payer system funded by general revenues. With any centralized system, avoiding deficits is difficult. In 2006, Great Britain had a £700 million deficit despite the fact that health care spending increased by £43 billion over five years.

Private Insurance. 10% of Britons have private health insurance. Private health insurance replicates the coverage provided by the NHS, but gives patients access to higher quality care, and reduced waiting times.

Physician Compensation. Unlike in the case of other single payer systems such as Norway, most physicians and nurses are mostly government employees. In 2004, the NHS negotiated lower salaries for doctors in exchange for reduced work hours. Few physicians are available at night or on weekends. Because of low compensation, there is a significant shortage of specialists.

Physician Choice. Patients have very little physician choice. However, under the experimental London Patient Choice Project, patients waiting more than six months for treatment will be offered a choice of four different treatment providers.

Copayment/Deductibles. There are no deductibles and almost no copayments except for small copayments for prescription drugs, as well as for optical and dental care.

Waiting Times. Waiting lists are a huge problem in Great Britain. Some examples: 750,000 are on waiting lists for hospital admission; 40% of cancer patients are never able to see an oncologist; there is explicit rationing for services such as kidney dialysis, open heart surgery and care for the terminally ill. Further, minimum waiting times have been instituted to reduce costs. “A top-flight hospital like Suffolk Est PCT was ordered to impose a minimum waiting time of at least 122 days before patients could be treated or the hospital would lose a portion of its funding.”

Benefits Covered. The NHS system offers comprehensive coverage. Because of rationing, care might not be as easy to get as advertised. Terminally ill patients may be denied treatment. David Cameron has proposed that the NHS refuse treatment to smokers or the obese (see 7 Sept 2007 post).

Tanner, Michael D. (2008) “The Grass Is Not Always Greener: A Look at National Health Care Systems Around the World” Cato Policy Analysis no. 613.

Yeah, Walt, that's Utopia for you.

Oh.. I`m personal friends with heart surgeons in Rome and Madrid, cancer specialists in Berlin, general practitioners in Milan, Copenhagen, Newcastle.
I have relatives in Scandinavia that have gone in and out of hospitals, and their system, so I know a lot more then what just CNN says.

I also have an degrees in Economics and Hospital Admin.

Im sorry Noman. Youre a stupid pos. Women are dying in GB from breast cancer who are too young for mamograms on the govt.

People are dying there of colon cancer who are too young to be covered for colonoscopies.

God dayomned but you are one more stupid dumb pos sob.

Your stupidity borders on the unimaginable.

Hey, NoMan, get back with Zero and tell us what he says.