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Because of of the increasing taxes placed on them to pay for their free socialist stuff -healthcare idiot


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And Democrats want open borders and free healthcare and college education for illegal aliens destroying the backbone of America the middle class

Which has nothing to do with government run healthcare and everything to do with the legal system my glib friend.

Canada went to the Pharma companies and asked how to lower the cost of prescription drugs. R&D, manufacturing, Pharma, and yes, a certain amount of profit is the same be the Rx found in Canada or the US. The difference is, all meds have some side effects, and with those side effects come legal liability and that means lawsuits and judgements.

All Pharma has a team that estimates the potential cost of the liability, and that gets built into the price. The more side effects, the higher the price. Canada limits the liability to pharm, and the savings is passed on.

Try that here. You Lefties have most of the trail lawyers. Go ahead, just try it here.

If socialized medicine is so wonderful, efficient, effective, and loved in other countries why is it that so many foreign medical professionals move to the USA to practice instead of those countries with socialized medicine?

What are the tax rates in countries with "successful" government run and paid for socialized health care?

Why were so many insurance providers that initially participated in Obamacare jumping ship long before the last presidential election?

Yeah, they just pizzed cause it's now time to protest...

Macron sure was sucking up and apologizing, making concessions right and left. He obviously overstepped.

And, they let him know it.

He was running gas prices up so high they'd have to buy smaller cars, etc. Not drive as much. All tree hugging stuff.

Libs tax and tax and tax some more. People, even libtards, get tired of paying, paying and paying some more.

DF

How many medical professionals move to the US each year?
How many US medical professionals move to other countries each year?

Most of their health professionals have NO student loans after their education and they can make more in the US.
US medical professions move because they have a much better work/life balance in other nations... but are often saddled with huge student loans.


Overall taxes are not interesting. What is interesting is only 9-11% of their GDP is spent on Healthcare.
Taxes range from 30-50%.. while much higher salaried people pay somewhat more. Depending on the country.
US spends 18% of its GDP.


Insurance providers eventually jumping ship after Republicans put 70+ amendments that hurt the affordable care act from the start, then spent 7+ years to dismantle it bit by bit.
What started out as the best plan the Republican had, Romney Care... was ruined by Republicans by making it to complex and inefficient to work like they themselves where advocating just a year or two before it was implemented.

Let's cut to the chase:

Government run Healthcare is what has driven the cost of healthcare and associated insurance premiums thought the roof. Yes, folks, we already have government run healthcare. It's called Medicare and Medicaid. It covers the old and impoverished young. The taxpayers between he 2 groups support it. The one HUGE factor in skyrocketing healthcare costs is that the reimbursement rate on virtually every Medicare/Medicaid covered procedure covers only about 80% of the cost to deliver that care.

Bluntly, Medicare loses 20% on every procedure, and that loss must be shifted somewhere to keep the doors open. It is shifted over to paying consumers, which largely is the insured. Convert this system to complete government control, and what happens? It won't get better. You will have an entire system running a deficit. That will call for cost reduction beyond what have been taken. That means reduced services, rationing, long waits. That means the best and the brightest most talented will not gravitate toward healthcare because their talents are better reimbursed elsewhere. In spite of what some arrogant Lefties think, not just any dimwit can hack med school, and then there are the sharpest that are the innovators that advance medicine. You will not get those minds in the field.

We're all going to die, dumbass, government program or not.

I have a plan. I'll take care of my family's healthcare needs, and you take care of yours. Since you are hellbent on communism, why not move to a communist nation instead of wanting to [bleep] this one up?

Northman's bulb is way too dim to capture this..

Works great if you dont die before you get worked on.
Typical commie chit.
dave

Close family member signed up for Obamacare coverage right after it became available. First few months it seemed to be working fairly well although they had no medical issues or expenses of any consequence during that period -- routine exam with basic blood work and a couple of relatively inexpensive pharmaceutical prescriptions.

Got a letter from their provider at the start of the second year stating their monthly premiums would increase $120+ a month due to a household income increase. That income increase was the annual SS C.O.L.A. adjustment which amounted to $40 a month more - TOTAL - for both recipient and spouse ($20 a month per)....

A $40 a month raise in household income rates a $120+ a month increase in Obamacare premiums???

A few months later that provider just up and quit Obamacare in their state.

Next provider was through some no name company that wanted a minimum of 3 months premiums up front, furnished no printed detailed coverage literature ( "call us and we'll get back with you as to whether yea or nay" ), every customer support person talked with had a different version than the last, and started raising rates almost immediately after signing on.

Totally disgusted with Obamacare they just gave up and went without health coverage until reaching Medicare age.

Obamacare from day one was like watching a bunch of monkeys trying to screw a football.

Sounds good to me IF it works. If it doesn't, it will be impossible to get rid of. That was the plan with social security. It is part of the plan to get to total government control. As it is now total panic sets in when social security or food stamps are threatened. Remember when Walmart got all upset about food stamps being considered for cuts.

Healthy Canadians boast of their healthcare system, right up to the point they actually NEED it. Fact. The well-to-do ones, I see them in the US when they've tired of waiting, paying out of pocket. Total knee? MRI 6mo's, see surgeon sometime, be 12mo's wait before it's over. Need chemo? Hold one while we check... keep holding please... are you still there?. Here? If it's truly important, it'll get done this week, next at the latest. Elective? 4 weeks. And this is in rural America, not even the big city.

England, the system is so shoddy, they try to cheekily change the subject.

While was a family doctor in the US army in Germany, had a ball dealing with the host nation medical system, and it was NOT what I'd expected. They're German's, they've got to have the latest and greatest, right? Turns out, their orthopedics is about 10-20yrs behind ours, for example. Half a dozen times, would get a soldier back from the German hospital, and puzzled by the butchered appearance I'd call a US orthopedist for clarity. "Yeah, it's not wrong per se, but it'll take 10-12 weeks to heal, lose mobility; it's a 2nd or 3rd world technique now, I haven't see one of those in 10 years. He could have better function long-term and already be in rehab in half that time if we'd have done a such such, instead." Over and over.

General surgery, almost as bad, not quite. Turns out for some odd cultural reason, general surgery is looked down upon there, and it shows. Went to a hospital once to inquire in-person why soldier so n so was still inpatient weeks after a clusterphluck of a simple cholecystectomy. They did it open instead of laparoscopic, no valid reason, no valid endpoints, just milking the US taxpayer for all it was worth, basically. Saw that a lot, too. The surgeon, found the smoking pony-tailed ill kept guy in a filthy office, doing nothing in a filthy wing that looked like an abandoned college chemistry building (labs and such, empty, boxes of [bleep] everywhere.) Never before saw such professional sloth.

Grade A chit, that socialized healthcare.

Here, medicare and Medicaid - GMAFB. Medicaid can't give money away fast enough (brand-name Ventolin for everybody, here, take three!). Meanwhile, have a go with Medicare cutting little old people off their oxygen. No rational reason, other than they want to waste everybody's time fighting it, which in the private sector means money, and in the mean time some poor guy with pulmonary asbestosis struggles along without his oxygen on top of his chronic hip pain and recently broken humerus; his incurable anemia helps his breathing none all the while. UFB. I'll vote for more of THAT, eh?

The single best thing that could happen to present healthcare in the US, is to flush zero-care and it's mandates straight down the crapper, and start over with healthy priorities. Would also propose a parallel socialist utopian plan that lefties are hereby encouraged to sign up for, to serve as an example for people to learn from in perpetuity. Put your money where you mouth is - you'll be digging a tunnel over to our side in no time (presuming you didn't exempt yourselves from it at the get-go.)

Well stated.

DF

What's best for the collective is never best for the individual.

So, go collectivism and pay the price.

Or, respect and actually serve the individual, placing individual importance over the aspirations of the collective.

Collectivism is never best. Just an effective tool to control the unwashed masses who don't know enough to make their own decisions.

That's the elite, self-righteous mantra of the libs. They're smart, everyone else is stupid. They're there to help. We need them.... Biggest lie ever. They need us to be compliant and keep on paying the tab, letting them spend our money.

DF

So do you consider Canada a first world nation? I know several Canadians that used to come here for their healthcare simply because if they waited for the care they needed they would be dead by then. On top of that it is almost impossible to get a transplant of any sort not to mention the poor quality of the 30 something year old doctors they have there. Beyond that Trump is working on forcing the pill companies to charge us the same as they do other countries for prescription drugs. Your other delusional BS is all wrong, I wish you leftist dupes would actually research before you run your mouths. You look soooo stupid.

That makes it sound like they just don't know what they're talking about. They know perfectly well what they are talking about. They are purposely lying to pursue a leftist agenda.

Great post Dan. Northman knows better than you, just ask him.

Who pays for universal healthcare for 300+ million Americans? Comparing uk healthcare to the us is ridiculous. Does the uk have 30 million illegals immigrants? Does the uk have an entire class of generationally welfare addicted people? I’m not willing to take home less so do nothings can have more.

A year ago, a surgeon from Canada came to our area to explain in great detail why he left their allegedly GREAT healthcare system. His 35 years as chief surgeon at a major Canadian hospital was a nightmare. So he's dedicating the rest of his life educating us here in the good ole USA about the dangers of socialist medicine.

And as an aside, I have a friend in eastern Ontario who went in to have a leg pain treated. For weeks she put up with a lot of pain.. Took them wonderful Canadian
docs six MONTHS to find out she had a broken leg!

Yeah, Northnuts, let's bring on that wunnerful socialist bullchit..