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Alright you bastards.....I'm coming clean.....I built another gun.....
There.....I said it.....it's in the open....no more pretending.....and I feel better....
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Pile-o-Parts.....
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aalf, The 6.5 PRC makes a lot of sense, I really enjoy mine,and it kills deer, pigs, and exotics drt. Rio7
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Directions for the smith:
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Once I got the barrel back, I had to open the barrel channel to float the Bartlein barrel.
Then drilled and installed flush cups front and rear.
Then filed & sanded the bolt notch in the stock for clearance.
And finally got 'er all bolted together.
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Alright you bastards.....I'm coming clean.....I built another gun.....
There.....I said it.....it's in the open....no more pretending.....and I feel better....
And the world is a better place...
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What size holes? Bore/chamber?
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Just for the hell-of-it, I weighed all the parts separately prior to assembly.
Here's the run down:
700 bare long action - 15 oz Complete bolt - 12.5 oz S/S recoil lug - .8 oz Floor plate, spring, stamped follower, mag box - 6 oz Trigger Tech trigger w/ pins - 2 oz Bartlein 2b cut to 24" - 3 lb 2 oz McMillan Game Scout - 25.5 oz
Bare gun weighs a half ounce over 7 pounds even.
Nightforce 2.5-10x42 - 20.6 oz Seekins 30mm medium rings - 3.8 Seekins 30 MOA rail - 2 oz Butler Creek caps - .8 oz
Gun with Nightforce ready to hunt - 8 pounds, 12 ounces.
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What size holes? Bore/chamber? PRC baby.....rock & roll......
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Nice job! I’ve got one on order from Seekins.
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Once again, Al hit it outta the park. Good things happen when you come clean! BTW, I'm likin' the McM Game 'Series' stocks. Gotta Game Hunter (Black Friday acquisition) on a Christensen Arms Ridgeline.
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Nice job! I’ve got one on order from Seekins. A lot to like about that one, & pretty tough to put one together for their price.
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Once again, Al hit it outta the park. Good things happen when you come clean! I knew another was in the books before I sold the last one......ha ha.....I kept the NF off it & my reamer...... BTW, I'm likin' the McM Game 'Series' stocks. Gotta Game Hunter (Black Friday acquisition) on a Christensen Arms Ridgeline. Was hard to get away from my comfort zone, but I'm really liking this stock.
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Was thinking on naming it "Prick".......
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Looks like one heck of a fine rifle... looking forward to your field results...
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Confession is good for the soul.....
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Confession is good for the soul..... The sun is brighter, the air is cleaner, it's a great day to be alive......
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Wondered when I'd see pictures. Another nice build!
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aalf, The 6.5 PRC makes a lot of sense, I really enjoy mine,and it kills deer, pigs, and exotics drt. Rio7 I was a fan after building the first one. Decided to do a hunting/packing, carrying type gun this go around.
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Looks like one heck of a fine rifle... looking forward to your field results... Thanks Cinch, results forth coming.....
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Wondered when I'd see pictures. Another nice build! Thanks Mike, more pics on the way.....
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So for load work, I mounted up an extra 5.5-22x50 Nightforce in Seekins rings I had laying around.
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I love them nekked CF stocks.
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Me too. I tried to order one this past June and McMillan says that they no longer provide that finish, so I've another McSwirly coming this way.
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Damn that's nice !
I was hoping to see another NF 10x for sale. I want another real bad !
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I love them nekked CF stocks. Me three ! I have a McM hunter and it was a struggle to talk them into doing it. Now a few years later I want another and they won't I'm told. bummer....
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How did you get a game scout with no paint? I bought one and they said it had to be painted. Nice looking rifle!
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OMG, I'm like, sooooo shocked. Seem model-perfecto for stated purpose.
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OMG, I'm like, sooooo shocked. Seem model-perfecto for stated purpose. In my defense, I sold three guns and built one, so I'm at a net loss of two, meaning my downsizing effort is working......
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I'm sure that net loss is merely a temporary setback.
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I'm sure that net loss is merely a temporary setback.
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As stated before, I knew I was gonna build sooner or later, but first I was waiting for the right gun at the right price to show up for the donor. Coming back from my Montana coyote hunt in October, I stopped at the Cabelas in Mitchell, SD, and low and behold, the was a slightly used Sendero II in 7 mag on the rack. Wasn't the best price, but I had a bunch of points stashed just for a special occasion, so it followed me home.
The gun had a EGW 20 MOA picatinny rail on it that I could only get 1 of the 4 screws out of. I sent the action to LRI to get them out, plus flute this bolt and a couple others at the same time. Great work and quick turn around.
Next problem was trying to decide on the barrel and stock. I didn't want to build a heavier version like last time, and kind of had the hankering for a Proof barrel, but was having a hard time stomaching the double price tag over a regular tube. Finally this Game Scout came up for sale on another site, and was advertised as a Rem Varmint inlet, with a "primer" base coat on it. As there was no pics in the ad, I had him send me a couple, and immediately knew what I was looking at, & told him I'd take it.
So my blue print was taking it's own direction, a Proof barrel was next on the menu.However, when the stock showed up at my door, I tore into it ASAP to find that it had a Remington Sporter inlet. Hot damn, I don't have to drop the coin on a Proof barrel!
Next up was finding a Bartlein 2b 8 twist. I only found one online, and was waiting for the Black Friday, Cyber Mon deal to kick in, but it never materialized. So I logged in and bought it. Several days went by, but it showed no movement on shipping, so I called them up to find out the last one in stock was bought 30 minutes before me. Well, schitt. I quick put out several WTB ads, and scored one in no time flat, and we're back in the game.
As soon as the barrel arrived, I had everything boxed and sent off that afternoon to the smith.
Somewhere in that time span, I had the scope choice narrowed down between a Nightforce 2.5-10 or a Leupold VX5 HD 3-15x44. I really wanted more than the 10X, but it's hard to pass up the NF's reputation. I had a pile of Cabelas points I could burn on the Leupold, but just couldn't make the leap. My decision was finally made when I ran across this NF online for a pretty good price. I had already scored a good deal on the Seekins rings, and had kept the Seekins rail from the last PRC, so the scope & hardware was taken care of. Lastly, the Trigger Tech trigger was a hold over from the previous PRC too, making it all a bit less painful than paying new prices for everything.
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Nice project aalf, have you come up with a good load yet?
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Nice project aalf, have you come up with a good load yet? Thanks......and I have.
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Based on load work from the first gun, I shot 3 shot groups in half grain increments from 59 to 61 grains of H-1000 with moly plated & pointed 140 grain Berger VLD's in the lands a bit. I set the target at 200 yards, and the results were kinda ho hum, from a hair over MOA to a hair under 1 1/2 MOA.
I watched the ES go from 22 to 8 to 3 to 8 & back up to 23 fps, with the 60 grain load of 3 fps spread having the least vertical as well.
So I called it a day, loaded the truck up and went home to clean the gun and load a bunch with 60 grains to do a seating test.
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The next day for the seating test I started in the lands, and them went off the lands in .010" increments. Testing at 200 again, and the results were nothing to write home about. Seems every one of barrels need 100 or so rounds down the tube before things start coming around, and this one appears to be no different.
So back to the house to clean and load up a bunch of 60 grains in the lands and shoot it......
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The next day I headed out to my mid range spot, starting at 100 yards, shooting 3 shot groups.
Clean/cold to begin.....
100 yds - 1 1/4"
200yds - 1 1/2"
300yds - 1 5/8"
400yds - bust (I was testing 142 SMK's also & the 6 shots all lumped together)
500yds - 3 1/2"
600yds - 3 7/8"500 & 600 yards targets:
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Maybe try some JLK's I'm having good luck with the 135 JLk and the 130 gr Bergers in my 6.5 Saum, no doubt you will find a combo your happy with ,I really enjoy shooting these 6.5's.......keep us updated!
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I had bought two 500 count boxes of the Bergers on the 1st go around, & probably had 800 left for this project.
Looks like this barrel has come around........
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After all the testing was done, I had a dozen rounds left, so I decided to give them a go at a big pile of rocks at 950 yards. Luckily I had my serious testing done by then, as the headwind had picked up to 10-15 mph.
I had only done a quick look at JBM previously for my drops to 600, so took a WAG of 20 MOA for the 950. Ended up being right on the money, best as I could tell with the wind. Ran the numbers later, and confirmed it.
Packed my schitt and went home, feeling pretty good about the day.
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Looks good, man. Handy spot for the red cap, as well. -Al
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Looks good, man. Handy spot for the red cap, as well. -Al Thanks buddy.......the red cap's to keep the butt heads from setting a level on it.....
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Looking good, thanks for posting.
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Looks good, man. Handy spot for the red cap, as well. -Al Thanks buddy.......the red cap's to keep the butt heads from setting a level on it..... lol
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Thanks buddy.......the red cap's to keep the butt heads from setting a level on it..... I hear 'ya. Sometimes, it's best to just protect 'em from themselves, no? -Al
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So how is the rifle shooting now ? Would you chamber the same cartridge again ?
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So how is the rifle shooting now ? Would you chamber the same cartridge again ? Barrel is shooting fine...I have 150 rounds down it now. This is my 2nd PRC, and would do another in a heartbeat if needed. Easy to do too, as I have my own reamer.......
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What kind of bbl life do you expect ? Would you prefer this cartridge over the 6.5x284 ? I've been looking at a Sauer 100 Fieldshoot in this caliber. I imagine after the shot show a few gun makers will announce chamberrings
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Lotsa variables to barrel life, but my 1st PRC had 500 rounds down the tube when I sold it, and the throat still looked great. H-1000 is the key. Step on the gas with 4831 or R-26 in either cartridge will come at the expense of barrel life. I have never ran H-1000 in a 6.5-284, so I don't have a direct comparison, as I've always have shot H-4831 in mine.
I'm still a 6.5-284 fan. and would hate to have to choose. Currently my 6.5-284 is set up as a LR gun, while the PRC is a carry gun, so the the gun choice boils down to platform not cartridge.
I could certainly sell the LR gun and be well covered with the PRC for both endeavors, but what fun would that be........
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One more test, just for the hell-of-it.......
Went out my closer spot, and shot 3 shot groups at 100-200-300-400.
Groups size was affected mostly due to the right to left wind & mirage.
100 - 3/4" (clean/cold)
200 - 1 1/4" (1st 2 touching)
300 - 1 1/2" (2 into 5/8")
400 - 3 1/4" (5 shot group- 2 leaked left missing wind pickup)
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I had previously mounted the 2.5-10x42 Nightforce in lapped Seekins rings, and remover that scope to replace it with the 5.5-22 NF for load work. Decide it was a good time to switch them out and get the 10X sighted in.
Only took a couple minutes for that, then had to move the target back to 50. Quick peek down the bore to get it bore sighted, one shot at 50, dial the scope, move to 100, and shoot 3. Wow.......450" group, 3 quarters of an inch high.
Moved the target to 200......1 5/8"
Moved it to 300......2 1/2"
Moved to 400......perfect triangle at 2 5/8"....a touch high.
So I moved the scope two clicks down, and shot again......
First 2 shots dead center an inch apart, but lost the third 4" to the left again.....oh well......done and zeroed.
Set the zero stop and called it a day.
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Last time out was play day.....a few jugs spread out from 225 to a bit over 600First up, I shot four of them from the bench to confirm zeroes. Piece-o-cake, went 4 for 4 including the last one at 606.
Next up was to shoot off my lighter weight Bog Pod with my back rested against the bench, as I forgot my stadium seat I generally use for coyote hunting. 225 and 350 were 1st round hits, then struggled beyond that, as it's just not steady enough. I've been tempted to get a hog saddle set up with a heavy duty tripod, but I don't want the extra weight to pack around when hunting.
Lastly, shooting prone off the bipod, but without a rear bag. Finished off the remaining jugs, including another 1st round hit at 603. Loaded everything in the truck, picked up my trash, that some bozos are worried about) and called it a day. Ready to draw blood......
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That likely discolored some snow. -Al
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You fellas are going to talk me into one of those hot rod 6.5mm/.264s yet.
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That likely discolored some snow. -Al Would have, no doubt, but it hadn't made it here yet...... I forgot one pic:
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My Havak PH1 6.5 PRC shipped today!
Brass is no where to be found...
Has anyone tried N560 or N565 in the 6.5PRC?
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Great buck Aalf!!! What's that on the butt stock holding yer calibers? I meant cartridges...
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
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Bullets. They're bullets. You mean bullet heads? Damn Sangria... Happy Thanksgiving fellas and great buck aalph!
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When new, I found it best to load the rounds in the middle of the mag box for feeding to be 100% reliable. While hunting, I would leave the three round down, and pull out the one in the chamber & put it into my pocket. I noticed by the end of the third day, the top round in the mag box had slid back part way, making the bolt hang up a little. Once I slid it forward, all was good.
So this prompted me to dig around the parts bin to remedy the situation when I got home, and in there I found a long action machined style follower, and a spacer block from a 223 mag box. I had to tweak the spacer a bit, and then attached it to the rear with a pop rivet. After a little cyphering, I determined where to shorten the follower and proceded to get after it with the hacksaw. A little deburring with a file and it fit like a pocket on a shirt.
Last step was to put Humpty Dumpty back together again and give it a test drive.......home run.....
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Great buck Aalf!!! What's that on the butt stock holding yer calibers? I meant cartridges...;) Call 'em whatever you want, I'll just call them deadly.....ha ha.... Anyhoo, it'd be a neoprene Beartooth Stock Guard....Imma fan......
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Bubba Buddy?
Wasn't that what Poobs called em way back when?
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Thanks all.....
The 700 long action mag box is 3.700"....the installed 223 spacer measures .450"....giving me a 3.25" mag box length.
My loaded rounds are right at 3.00", leaving me a quarter inch of leeway.
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Thanks all.....
The 700 long action mag box is 3.700"....the installed 223 spacer measures .450"....giving me a 3.25" mag box length.
My loaded rounds are right at 3.00", leaving me a quarter inch of leeway.
aalf Quick question. I've installed a spacer in the mag box and I'm still struggling to get my LA 6.5 PRC to feed. Did you install a different follower spring after you shortened the follower or use a different spring? If you used a different spring what type did you use? Watched your video, nice job....slick feeding! rookie
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The 700 long action mag box is 3.700"....the installed 223 spacer measures .450"....giving me a 3.25" mag box length. My loaded rounds are right at 3.00", leaving me a quarter inch of leeway. Quick question. I've installed a spacer in the mag box and I'm still struggling to get my LA 6.5 PRC to feed. Did you install a different follower spring after you shortened the follower or use a different spring? If you used a different spring what type did you use? Watched your video, nice job....slick feeding! Thanks...... I just used the original spring, but I may have switched around, as the long side was hanging over the back of the follower. The 1st thing I do to any action, is polish/round off the edges of the feed rails. No more scratched brass, and the rounds make a slicker transition out of the mag box. I generally polish the feed ramp a bit with a Dremel as well. These 2 tricks are the start to better feeding. After that, you have to address what exactly is going wrong. Some setups, you can't dilly dally working the bolt, you just have to go faster for more consistent feeding, as in 30-30 lever actions......
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The 700 long action mag box is 3.700"....the installed 223 spacer measures .450"....giving me a 3.25" mag box length. My loaded rounds are right at 3.00", leaving me a quarter inch of leeway. Quick question. I've installed a spacer in the mag box and I'm still struggling to get my LA 6.5 PRC to feed. Did you install a different follower spring after you shortened the follower or use a different spring? If you used a different spring what type did you use? Watched your video, nice job....slick feeding! Thanks...... I just used the original spring, but I may have switched around, as the long side was hanging over the back of the follower. The 1st thing I do to any action, is polish/round off the edges of the feed rails. No more scratched brass, and the rounds make a slicker transition out of the mag box. I generally polish the feed ramp a bit with a Dremel as well. These 2 tricks are the start to better feeding. After that, you have to address what exactly is going wrong. Some setups, you can't dilly dally working the bolt, you just have to go faster for more consistent feeding, as in 30-30 lever actions...... aalf thanks for the additional information...do appreciate it. I haven't given up on making the BDL bottom metal work...yet...close, but not quite ready to! thanks again! rookie
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Looking damn good there, damn good. I want one, but doubt I would use it much here in Alaska, So many rifles, so little time, so old, woe is me......
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