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Speaking to the barnes rep at DSC and talking about penetration.
He said that when one of they bullets hits at a faster speed it will mushroom faster and potentially penetrate less as a result. The example he gave was that a 30-06 might penetrate more than the same bullet shot out of a 300 win mag.
Anyone else heard about this - makes me wonder about ideal impact speed for penetration with the Barnes bullets? I've become a JJHACK believer and like the idea of 30 cal and two holes to aid in tracking and blood loss, so want penetration.
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I think that is certainly true with a cup and core, not so much with the Barnes. Optimal velocity......let’s just say 2000 + fps. memtb
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1900 and 1700 for the LRX is what they have said.
Sounds like he was confusing lead core performance.
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Not to confuse minimal impact with "Ideal impact"
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3200 and faster increases tissue damage quite a bit but no reduction in penetration with the ttsx.
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What do you think of the hypotheses - that higher speed might lead to lower penetration due to early mushrooming?
This actually came up because I was asking about penetration of a 250 TTSX going 2720 out of a .375 H&H. I did not feel I got as much penetration as I expected with that load.
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Try shooting Nosler Partition bullets. They work just fine in this caliber. (If) your not happy with your TTSX
Myself, I could use the above two choices or some other stuff. You need to have confidence in your equipment. Wish you the best.
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I did not feel I got as much penetration as I expected with that load. Wierd things happen. I saw an X bullet stopped against a vertebrae on a large buck a buddy shot. Cartridge was a 7 STW.
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As fast as I can get them going. Never stopped one at 3400 fps mv in a 150 gr 30 cal on close shots.
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I have never stopped one in a deer yet and I have run them through deer from ~1600 FPS to >3600 FPS impact speeds. Every single one of them showed good evidence of expansion and produced good wound channels. I did see where one separated at least one petal.
As far as ideal impact speed...With a TSX/TTSX the only assumption I can make based on more than 100 animals is that they are going to go through and exit. I did see one TTSX that was stopped in a large deer with a corner to corner shot and it performed perfectly and was an ad copy perfect mushroom on recovery. I have seen them go through ungodly amounts of bone and still exit. I have shot them out of a few guns that can push them over 3500 FPS and for my money there is no such thing as too fast. A little 80 grain TTSX out of a 243 at >3400 FPS will go through 3 feet of deer, so the only way I can look at them is stopping one in an animal is a pretty rare exception.
Edited to add: If you don't get enough penetration with a Barmes, your options to get more penetration are more or less limited to FMJs and solids.
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Edited to add: If you don't get enough penetration with a Barmes, your options to get more penetration are more or less limited to FMJs and solids.
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I have never stopped one in a deer yet and I have run them through deer from ~1600 FPS to >3600 FPS impact speeds. Every single one of them showed good evidence of expansion and produced good wound channels. I did see where one separated at least one petal.
As far as ideal impact speed...With a TSX/TTSX the only assumption I can make based on more than 100 animals is that they are going to go through and exit. I did see one TTSX that was stopped in a large deer with a corner to corner shot and it performed perfectly and was an ad copy perfect mushroom on recovery. I have seen them go through ungodly amounts of bone and still exit. I have shot them out of a few guns that can push them over 3500 FPS and for my money there is no such thing as too fast. A little 80 grain TTSX out of a 243 at >3400 FPS will go through 3 feet of deer, so the only way I can look at them is stopping one in an animal is a pretty rare exception.
Edited to add: If you don't get enough penetration with a Barmes, your options to get more penetration are more or less limited to FMJs and solids. Or maybe jump up a weight in the TSX/TTSX line if your really worried about penetration, but for me I shoot them a weight lighter than I would choose a NP for the same application and they just go through.
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My limited experience from the last 25 years is that nothing out penetrates a Barnes except solids. Barnes typically open up to a lesser frontal area so encounter less resistance. They are also less dense than C&C bullets and the shank seems to keep them going in a straighter direction. With really high velocities of greater than 3000fps IMPACT velocities I have seen them shed the petals and they sure as hell penetrated. If you were disappointed in the performance of Barnes on Buffalo I suggest more velocity or go up to the 300's You definitely don't want to slow them down.
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Light speed.
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Hmmmm . . . Warp 1? I was thinking more like Warp 2 as optimal
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Hmmmm . . . Warp 1? I was thinking more like Warp 2 as optimal Well that’s just unrealistic.
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Hmmmm . . . Warp 1? I was thinking more like Warp 2 as optimal The hell with light speed. Go straight to Ludicrous speed!
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X's love speed and that's their AO.
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