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Roger Maris before any of those listed. After that, I would begin to give consideration to others. I like Maris, but lifetime .260 and and 275 homeruns is a good player, not great. I think that is the problem with the HOF, too many good players, should be reserved for the great players.
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Why is it so hard to just follow the fuggin' rules? Every game has them. They also have penalties if you break them. Pretty simple flow chart if you ask me.
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Roger Maris before any of those listed. After that, I would begin to give consideration to others. I like Maris, but lifetime .260 and and 275 homeruns is a good player, not great. I think that is the problem with the HOF, too many good players, should be reserved for the great players. Roger Maris is in the Hall because of his single season homerun record, and he was a Yankee during the golden era. Every kid, who ever played backyard Wiffle Ball, or sandlot pickup games during the early 60s has claimed dibs on being Roger Maris.
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Gary Sheffield definitely belongs in. His numbers are better than many that are already in. I wouldn't doubt if he juiced right along with the others of his era. His numbers weren't nearly as gaudy, so he flew under the roid radar. Those in the group that used chemical enhancement, are a tough call. Sosa isn't. He doesn't belong because, Michael Jackson. [img] https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/sammy-sosa.jpg?quality=90&strip=all[/img]
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Roger Maris before any of those listed. After that, I would begin to give consideration to others. I like Maris, but lifetime .260 and and 275 homeruns is a good player, not great. I think that is the problem with the HOF, too many good players, should be reserved for the great players. Two MVPs.
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Pete Rose deserves to be in.
But, he is the man who signed an agreement to be banned from
baseball so that his gambling on baseball would be hidden.
Sorry Pete,
That was your decision. (Well, actually, two decisions)
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For conversation: Steelers of the 70's and most other NFL teams of that time were dripping roids in the locker room, and a lot of them are in the HOF.
Addition: IMO there should be certain stats that should allow one to walk in without a vote. You hit 500 homers or win 300 games and you automatically are in.
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Why is it so hard to just follow the fuggin' rules? Because almost no one else follows them. Besides, don't you want to know what the human body is capable of? PEDs for athletic or combat performance is one of the few non-degenerate uses of drugs.
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Roger Maris before any of those listed. After that, I would begin to give consideration to others. I like Maris, but lifetime .260 and and 275 homeruns is a good player, not great. I think that is the problem with the HOF, too many good players, should be reserved for the great players. Maris = Hall of Very Good
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Mariano Rivera got in with 100% of available votes. First unanimous choice ever!
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Interesting names will be considered. ould you vote for any of these guys?
Fred McGriff
Gary Sheffield
Dale Murphy?
What about
Bonds
Clemens
Sosa
McGuire?
BTW - I would have never voted for harold Baines. He belongs in the Hall of Pretty Good with many others I like. McGriff possibly. Better than Baines, who I like but likely should not be in the Hall None of the second 4 Pete Rose NOT in the Hall is a joke You might disagree. You might be right 😉
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Bands is an ass, but in my view, he was a legit HOFer before he juiced. He was 500 HRs and 300 SBs and .300 lifetime hitter without the juice. McGuire juiced from day one, so if you are anti juice, then he's got a problem. Same with Sosa. He was an early adopter of PED's. Mostly agree with the above Interesting you mentioned McGriff . Saw an analysis few years ago compared McGriff to Bonds. Point of the article was how Bonds performance actually trended up when 99% of athletes start to decline due to age. Then the guy applied the SAME trend to McGriff’s numbers. Suddenly Fred was right there with Bonds in HR,RBI,BA.... obviously McGriff didn’t match up on stolen bases... Bonds is a prize a$$ ....but that’s not why he should not be in the Hall
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H,
I’m not arguing with you about what you say about steroid use, just that for HOF induction, it can’t be the deciding factor. When I graduated from high school, I was 5’10” tall and weighed 170 lbs. By age 25 I was 6’0” and weighed 180 lbs. By age 35 I weighed 215 and was solid muscle. I have never taken any PED’s in my life. I just got older........... I have a minority view on the PED era. It was what it was. There is no pill you can take or juice you can stick in your butt that will help you square up the baseball. If there was, I would have taken 2.  in. True BUT it will keep you on the field longer, it will lessen your injuries and help you heal quicker, getting you back out there sooner. And it will improve your performance,especially strength wise. Bonds, McGuire and Sosa took it for a reason Just for [bleep] and giggles check out Arod right back to high school.....
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Canseco outs Aroid in his books big time.
OTOH, I think Jr. Griffey was clean.
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Nice to see Edgar get in. Could be debated but he flat out hit and his numbers show
Had some bad luck, being an average 3rd baseman, defensively. Also had someone ahead of him . Probably should have been in the Show 2-3 years quicker
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Yes I think the Kid was clean too.
And yes, the owners knew, including Selig , and ignored the whole issue until forced
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[quote=lastround]H, There is no pill you can take or juice you can stick in your butt that will help you square up the baseball. If there was, I would have taken 2. . FACT! They already knew hot to hit, that was a given. The drugs enabled them to do take it to another level.
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Here is an excerpt of what PEDS will help you do
McGriff’s Home Run Totals vs. his peers
86-94 95-on Career total
McGriff 262 231 (95-04) 493
Bonds 259 503 (95-07) 762
McGwire 238 345 (95-01) 583
McGriff 1991 Topps Traded
Palmeiro 155 414 (95-05) 569
McGriff’s AB per HR vs. his peers
86-94 95-on Career total
McGriff 15.2 20.7 (95-04) 17.8
Bonds 17.4 10.6 (95-07) 12.9
McGwire 14.0 8.2 (95-01) 10.6
Palmeiro 27.8 14.9 (95-05) 18.4
Puts it in perspective a bit, I think
For example if Bonds declines from 95 onwards knock 250 HR off ; McGuire 150 to 170 less
Added: can not seem to make the ab per HR line up
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I think Jr. Griffey was clean. You think? Really? Griffey is as clean as them come. If only he could have stayed healthy. He would have been the greatest to ever play the game.
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