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If I were speculating on why we still have the gun rights we do I would credit the 2nd Amendment. I just wish our NRA would keep that issue constantly in court.

Compromise and not standing firm for our freedoms tends to do that

I hate the NBA...it’s nothing but a slam fest......





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10-4, someone on speaking terms with NRA leadership should convince them there is a problem, and that a bunch of folks that could be avid supporters are badly disaffected. We are the people NRA needs, they are never going to win over the other side by being "reasonable" or supporting "common sense" gun safety regulations.

“NRA Certified Instructor”

That’s as funny as their insurance policy.


So let me get this straight, is a “NRACI” the top of the heap or bottom of the barrel??


100% meaningless......

This. As a pro gun person, I realize that there is room for, and a need for different groups and approaches in our continual struggle to support the Second Amendment. Some groups are better in the legal field. It is much less costly than the a full federal/state legislative approach. It is also easier to pick and choose your cases and usually they are taking the initiative (going on offense) against ill advised laws and regulations. GOA and SAF are examples of such groups - and I support them. Then there are the legislative/political fields. In this area we are more on the defensive. Why? Because we generally lack popular political support. We can't get 60 Senators to support concealed carry reciprocity or the legal use of suppressors. By its nature the legislative process is a compromise process. Sometimes you face a situation where you have to "give" in order to stall off a potentially worse legislative outcome, or to avoid a situation where you place your political allies in a vulnerable situation (i.e. bump stocks). And it is very expensive, especially if you seriously engage in the necessary political election process to support a legislative agenda at the federal and state level. NRA is one example of such a group and I support them as well. I also support them for the many other programs they run (education, competitions, funding support for ranges, insurance, etc.).
As Shrapnel says - unity in the key. It is also common in the political/legislative areas to have "shadow" groups pop up to specifically create disunity in causes..

You do realize the supreme court hasn't heard a gun case in 10 years?

Depends, what the goal is. I did it to teach new shooter and to give the required class for a pistol permit. Does it make you an incredible teacher NO. You get out of it what you put into it. Are there better more advanced courses absolutely. It is not a bad place to start.

This shouldn’t be a decisive issue but it has become that. We almost got Hillary as POTUS and too soon we have forgotten that. Part of the reason for this is, we are too set on our own view and can’t bend for the wrong reason, not recognizing the right reason...

There may be a lot of truth in that last sentence. It seems that lately they only take on what they feel they can easily win. About ten years ago, I bought a bound collection of the American Rifleman so I have literally almost every copy from 1936 to the present date. I have a few 1936/6 and am still missing all of 1939. It's interesting to see just how the NRA has changed from supporting the shooting sports to a political entity.

There are times when I get the feeling the NRA does not want to win. They compromise a lot and every time they do, the antis gain another inch and we lose another inch. I'm an endowment life member and frankly, during the last few years I don't feel I've gotten my money's worth. I've been a member starting with annual membership back in 1955 and raised my level over the years to my current level.

Gun control for the NRA has become a big cash cow. as long as the antis do their thing, we the membership will send in money. The question is, "Are we getting our money's worth?"
Paul B.

Jim,
A Fudd is the guy who shoots trap and considers himself an outdoorsman but refuses to be concerned about things like concealed carry reform or assault weapons bans.

Because they feel it does not affect them.

This discussion is running in circles and I admit I have been more or less repeating the same stuff over and over. But it would be accurate to say millions of gun owners think the NRA is a money grubbing org. that is not avid enough in defense of our gun rights. Those millions of people are the only people that can insure the survival of the NRA and more importantly our gun ownership rights. If we perceive the NRA as ineffectual we will go somewhere else. You happy NRA members need us, and our millions of dollars. If you don't accommodate us we will go somewhere else. You can go absolutely nowhere else for members and support. The end.

There are only 4.5 million NRA members, but 160 million gun owners. Who's not doing their part?

Not “slamming” you or your efforts. Just saying that all the eggs in one basket is never a good idea. Seems the entire “gun world” has decided that anything stamped “NRA” approved or certified is the be all end all.

Same as FDA, EPA....etc.

I didn't take it as you slamming me. Adults can discuss issues and not always agree. I agree the NRA courses are lacking, but also depends on the instructor you get too and their motivation for being an instructor. I by no means got into it to profit. I got in because I want to get more people involved in shooting, shooting sports, and hunting. I'll be the first to tell you I am not a great instructor. I just haven't given enough classes and I didn't get my instruction from the best teacher either. I know the material and how to shoot. I could use help conveying it to the students at times. I have a buddy from the Marine Corps that has a really good program going out in Southern California. He has a solid customer base and he loves teaching and is good at it all around. Like I said it's a good start.

This. If you are having heartburn with the NRA, join a different gun organization. But, if we don't think unity the democrats are going to eat our lunch and kick sand in our faces.

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Its easy to hop up on a pedestal and squawk about zero compromise and bash the NRA. The truth of the matter is if it wouldn't be for the NRA , they're wouldn't be any gun rights to not compromise on.

Since you were around then, along with me, does the current climate sort of remind you of the way things got just before the “ revolution “ when Harlan Carter fought, and won, to take the organization back, away from the politicians? That’s the reason I never became a Life Member though I’ve sent them more money over the years than a lot of those guys. History has a way of repeating itself.

I’ve been thinking that and wondered if I’m alone in that.

I laugh at you heroes proclaiming you won't pay the NRA to do what you should do yourself.

After you get done building your own house and car (How's that steel furnace coming?) and when you get back from hand-delivering all of your mail, go spend a month lobbying Congress and let us know what you accomplish.

A whole lot of people have a whole lot of excuses for being too cheap to support the organization(s) pivotal to retaining our rights.

And, it's not an either/or choice. Support NRA, GOA, SAF and your state gun rights organization. Support them with >money<, repeatedly. Forget your next rifle, split that up among those four organizations.

And quit being iconoclastic morons about "fight them in court". Just because we are right doesn't mean we are going to win every case. And each case we lose becomes a major new hurdle to overcome. It is way better to block bad legislation than roll the dice in the courts again and again.

I bet it was the NRA that convinced you of that