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Originally Posted by BuzzH
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The flow of migrants correlates with our economy, like the coyote and the rabbit. You been down there this year Buzz?


Well, technically not in 2019, but was there for a couple week in mid-late December 2018. Camped in my wall tent the whole time and never had any problem with illegals. Once again, same as 2016, saw very little illegal sign and virtually no trash. This guy did invade my wall tent for about 20 minutes...thought I was going to have to call the Border Patrol. May have crossed the border, I didn't check for a green card.

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Less than a mile from the border:

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No illegals but did glass up 46 coues deer, 17 mule deer, 5 javelina, a coyote, and a bobcat from this spot though.

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As per usual with my hunts in Arizona...ended in success.

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But if anyone asks, I would stay away from the border, its a dangerous place with all the illegals, ms-13 gang members, and other "very, most dangerous people", and the hunting sucks.


This is by far the best post I’ve seen in all the political pissing match threads. Don’t know you, Sir, but thanks for posting something that’s actually worth reading!


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Which side of the river will he build the wall on?

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He could start in BBNP where the Feds own the land. Of course, that’s not where a wall is needed but that’s beside the point. His EPA would be up in arms as well.

Face it.... this National Emergency BS is nothing but a face saving device for Trump.

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The Campfire Posse has already decreed that giving our half of the River to Mexico is just fine.Except for those who insist that building a wall down he center of he river is no hill for a stepper like Trump.

He can’t come up with numbers to justify a National Emergency, and press clippings won’t suffice. Ringman touting “ thousands raped and murdered by illegals” is straight out of Trump’s playbook.

Buzz just demonstrated what happens to Inconvenient Truth on this forum if the truth makes Trump look foolish or weak.


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Buzz, you are hero to a couple of potential new BHA members here.

Send 'em a BHA membership form and address of where to send the check.

Be sure and coach them in the evils of private land ownership, the Constitution, and 2nd amendment.

While your at it, teach them how to stump a bit better for your democrat senator Tester...

Hell, you even got Texas boys believing there ain't no problems at the border, and $5.7B will build a 2000 mile wall of China down the middle of the Rio Grande.


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Originally Posted by BuzzH
I wonder what would happen if the R's and D's actually started negotiating instead of being embedded in this constant I have to win at all costs mentality.

Declaring a national emergency in an attempt to build a 1,926 mile wall is ridiculous, pretending that a partial border wall is not needed is also foolish.

There is no way that a 1,926 mile wall is going to be built. Not taking into account that unpopular (I used to think by the "conservatives" on this site) of having to claim eminent domain of private property, having a large sovereign Indian Reservation along a large part of the border in AZ, and not to mention the logistics and cost of even attempting such a project...makes the wall a pipe dream.

I think a majority of Americans, from both parties, could get behind a comprehensive plan that makes sense. I just don't think either side has thought this through, there doesn't have to be a winner and a loser. It can be a win all around. Build the wall/fence in the high traffic areas and improve existing barriers where its needed. Use additional funding to upgrade to better detection methods, increased border patrol, etc. in the more remote areas.

Negotiating is not about one side getting everything and the other nothing...too bad the asshats in D.C. seem unable to comprehend that.

That part's easy. If the Indians don't agree, build the fence along the west, north, and east sides of the rez. Leave them in Mexico.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Buzz, you are hero to a couple of potential new BHA members here.

Send 'em a BHA membership form and address of where to send the check.

Be sure and coach them in the evils of private land ownership, the Constitution, and 2nd amendment.

While your at it, teach them how to stump a bit better for your democrat senator Tester...

Hell, you even got Texas boys believing their ain't not problems at the border, and $5.7B will build a 2000 mile wall of China down the middle of the Rio Grande.

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Barry,

looks like the problem is in Texas? WTH have you boys been doing all these years? waiting for the Government to come Help You Out?

Now you want the Yankees to pay for fencing your proud, independent, self reliant state?

WTH? Quit typing and start fencing! Take your pliers to the border, not your AR.


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That part's easy. If the Indians don't agree, build the fence along the west, north, and east sides of the rez. Leave them in Mexico.



We own that land, not the injuns.


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Originally Posted by Sycamore

Barry,

looks like the problem is in Texas? WTH have you boys been doing all these years? waiting for the Government to come Help You Out?

Now you want the Yankees to pay for fencing your proud, independent, self reliant state?

WTH? Quit typing and start fencing! Take your pliers to the border, not your AR.


Listen tight dumbass.

I'm only gonna say this once...

ANY state is not allowed to enforce border laws, immigration laws, or even enforce federal laws on the books for immigration, or the breaking of those laws.

YOU above all people ought to know this since your Hero, the Zero sued Arizona for that very thing...

The first time in American history a sitting president has taken the side of foreigners against Americans.

That is a Constitutional Duty of the Federal Govt.

Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."


Here's your buddies handiwork...

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Justice Department Files Suit Against Arizona Immigration Law
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Accusing Arizona of trying to "second guess" the federal government, the Justice Department on Tuesday filed a lawsuit challenging the state's immigration policy -- claiming the "invalid" law interferes with federal immigration responsibilities and "must be struck down."

The suit names the state of Arizona as well as Gov. Jan Brewer as defendants. In it, the Justice Department claims the federal government has "preeminent authority" on immigration enforcement and that the Arizona law "disrupts" that balance. It urges the U.S. District Court in Arizona to "preliminarily and permanently" prohibit the state from enforcing the law, which is scheduled to go into effect at the end of the month.

"Arizonans are understandably frustrated with illegal immigration, and the federal government has a responsibility to comprehensively address those concerns," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a written statement. "But diverting federal resources away from dangerous aliens such as terrorism suspects and aliens with criminal records will impact the entire country's safety."

Holder also warned of "a patchwork of state laws" that "will only create more problems than it solves."

Brewer responded by accusing the Obama administration of a "massive waste of taxpayer funds."

"It is wrong that our own federal government is suing the people of Arizona for helping to enforce federal immigration law. As a direct result of failed and inconsistent federal enforcement, Arizona is under attack from violent Mexican drug and immigrant smuggling cartels," she said in a written statement. "Now, Arizona is under attack in federal court from President Obama and his Department of Justice."


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I think now would be a good time for Arizona, Texas, maybe a few other states to sue the federal government over immigration and failure to ever stop the “invasion” of illegals plus the failures to protect their citizens against threats from drug cartels and damage to their properties. Given the make up of the Supreme Court and the fact Trump is in office. Basically, force the feds to have to do something.

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and why didn't he do this when first got in office?…..this last little go around with Nancy......put some egg on his face...I know he didn't like it..he will come out swinging...….bob




We may have had a majority , but NONE of the majaroity was backing him till he went balls to tha wall for Kavanaugh , only then did any of them see the American people were backing him strongly and only then did they want to get on board with him . By the time Kavanaugh got through the circus the Republican Party had damaged themselves and not to mention the clowns that stepped down to save face giving a Republican owned seat to the Dems . I don't think it flew over the Trump supporters heads that the Republican pouty lip was stonewalling Trump and caused a lot to set it out and then there was the complacency of dim wits that thought , we beat Hillary , mid terms aren't important .
So how do you figure the deck was stacked any better the first two years than now ?


does trump need permission from republicans, to do an executive order?...….does trump need permission from the republican party to declare a national emergency ?.....does a president need permission from ether party to give an executive order or declare a national emergency?...….bob


In your post on another thread you where pissing and moaning because he didn't make a move when the house and senate was majority repub . Now you are saying executive order is your beef , you just want to piss and moan , huh ?

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Originally Posted by The_Chadster
I think now would be a good time for Arizona, Texas, maybe a few other states to sue the federal government over immigration and failure to ever stop the “invasion” of illegals plus the failures to protect their citizens against threats from drug cartels and damage to their properties. Given the make up of the Supreme Court and the fact Trump is in office. Basically, force the feds to have to do something.



Any state that has trouble or cost with wetbacks needs to grab this by the tail.

Those states that are sanctuary states, and cities of the same ilk ought to have all federal funds revoked. As well as their rights to vote in federal elections.


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The left, democrats, liberals, communist, socialist, and islamites, they want power and control of the people. They hate Americans, the Constitution, and the USA.

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Barry,

if it's about the wall, what's the hold up in Texas?

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Originally Posted by Sycamore
Barry,

if it's about the wall, what's the hold up in Texas?


Are you that stupid?

Abbott is chomping at the bit to loose the Texas Military on the border, and hold and enforce it.

But... alas. You didn't read my post answering you the first time.


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why haven't you folks built a wall? you aren't trying to stick a bunch of Yankees with the bill for your wall, are ya?


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
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I do get out of the city limits, I spent 3-5 months a year on the Southern border in Arizona between 2001-2008. I'll give you that there are stretches that have been built, but a lot of it is literally falling apart. Spend some time near Nogales, Sasabe, etc....check out the quality of the "wall" near those places.



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Those are facts, from being there and doing that over a 17 year period...now run along and spew your chit somewhere else.




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and why didn't he do this when first got in office?…..this last little go around with Nancy......put some egg on his face...I know he didn't like it..he will come out swinging...….bob




We may have had a majority , but NONE of the majaroity was backing him till he went balls to tha wall for Kavanaugh , only then did any of them see the American people were backing him strongly and only then did they want to get on board with him . By the time Kavanaugh got through the circus the Republican Party had damaged themselves and not to mention the clowns that stepped down to save face giving a Republican owned seat to the Dems . I don't think it flew over the Trump supporters heads that the Republican pouty lip was stonewalling Trump and caused a lot to set it out and then there was the complacency of dim wits that thought , we beat Hillary , mid terms aren't important .
So how do you figure the deck was stacked any better the first two years than now ?


does trump need permission from republicans, to do an executive order?...….does trump need permission from the republican party to declare a national emergency ?.....does a president need permission from ether party to give an executive order or declare a national emergency?...….bob


In your post on another thread you where pissing and moaning because he didn't make a move when the house and senate was majority repub . Now you are saying executive order is your beef , you just want to piss and moan , huh ?

Kenneth



Kenneth......far from it.....pissing and moaning?......first thing that pops in my mind is you are to read what I wrote......its simple...if the republican's were not on board with trump.....he should have issued an EO...right then and there.....or declared a national emergency right then ……..broke it off in their ass.....that was my question.....does a president have to get permission from either party to enact an EO.....or declare a national emergency?.....bob

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Originally Posted by Sycamore
Barry,

if it's about the wall, what's the hold up in Texas?

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Go travel that river where the map shows no fences and get back to me. The infrastructure required to build a wall or fence in most of that stretch would not only destroy the ecology, but it would make crossing a whole lot easier than it is now. Long stretches of it are impassable, even on foot, as it stands now.

If we had enough BP Agents to Patrol a wall, we wouldn’t need a wall. Corruption in the BP is a big problem since the Cartels got involved. Every time we have a big spate of hiring we get more Cartel guys in uniform.

As long as the Feds insist on the illegal aliens being THEIR pets, ain’t much that Texans can do about the border.


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I'd love to see Sarah put a $100 wager on her line of BS. If she had to beck up everything she claims with a buck or two, she'd be in the poor house overnight.

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