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The 69s were 2.255 OAL, the 75s were 2.225 OAL.
I didn’t change the seating die between bullets.
I have some loaded (75s) to 2.275 and will try them soon.
223 AR.
Also I'm getting best results with wsr primers. I tried all of them except Fed 205. Internet lore says cci450 are the same primer as cci no41. I run BR4's almost religiously anymore..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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The 69s were 2.255 OAL, the 75s were 2.225 OAL.
I didn’t change the seating die between bullets.
I have some loaded (75s) to 2.275 and will try them soon.
223 AR.
Are you going to single load the 2.275" loads? If he has stainless asc mags you seat bullets out too 2.300. So no need to single shot them. I will say David has them 75 seated way too deep even for 223 service rifle loads. I'm finding 2.255-2.260 to be a good starting point. I do know if you are loading 77 Sierra otm black hills is seating them too 2.247 in their mk262 mod1 loads. That's good info. I generally just run everything at .005" under mag length, which puts my oal at around 2.255", like you guys are running them. In an AR, it always seems to produce great accuracy. However, I guess if you can seat them closer to the lands your accuracy would probably improve. I was reading yesterday they say Sierra, nosler, designef their 77, to be insensitive to bullet jump they have a tangent ogive. The 75 hornady's have a secant ogive, but they don't seem to mind a lot of jump. They were saying if you could get the nosler or Sierra 77's bullets anywhere near the lands due to the long bearing surface you would have some serious pressure problems.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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The 69s were 2.255 OAL, the 75s were 2.225 OAL.
I didn’t change the seating die between bullets.
I have some loaded (75s) to 2.275 and will try them soon.
223 AR.
Also I'm getting best results with wsr primers. I tried all of them except Fed 205. Internet lore says cci450 are the same primer as cci no41. I run BR4's almost religiously anymore.. I haven't tried that one yet..
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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The 69s were 2.255 OAL, the 75s were 2.225 OAL.
I didn’t change the seating die between bullets.
I have some loaded (75s) to 2.275 and will try them soon.
223 AR.
Are you going to single load the 2.275" loads? They fit in the metal mags I have, and also in the gen3 20 round pmags .
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Let's just say I'm not going to post results of another savage. It's just too easy and I haven't developed a load for this one yet: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/20YVffx.jpg) As you can see in the pic^^^, I only had 11 rounds left and heres where 10 of them went: ![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/tjU2tqT.jpg) 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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My 22-250ai IS my big boomer!
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The 69s were 2.255 OAL, the 75s were 2.225 OAL.
I didn’t change the seating die between bullets.
I have some loaded (75s) to 2.275 and will try them soon.
223 AR.
Are you going to single load the 2.275" loads? They fit in the metal mags I have, and also in the gen3 20 round pmags . The usgi mags I can see depends on make can accept a max oal from 2.275 to 2.800. Far as the p mags you must have special ones I have gen3 and gen4 and 2.260 is it for me..
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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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My 22-250ai IS my big boomer! Ha ha. As light as it is, i believe it.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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The 69s were 2.255 OAL, the 75s were 2.225 OAL.
I didn’t change the seating die between bullets.
I have some loaded (75s) to 2.275 and will try them soon.
223 AR.
Are you going to single load the 2.275" loads? They fit in the metal mags I have, and also in the gen3 20 round pmags . The usgi mags I can see depends on make can accept a max oal from 2.275 to 2.800. Far as the p mags you must have special ones I have gen3 and gen4 and 2.260 is it for me.. I dont know what gen my pmags are, but all bought within the last year. Mine are also 2.260"
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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The 69s were 2.255 OAL, the 75s were 2.225 OAL.
I didn’t change the seating die between bullets.
I have some loaded (75s) to 2.275 and will try them soon.
223 AR.
Are you going to single load the 2.275" loads? They fit in the metal mags I have, and also in the gen3 20 round pmags . The usgi mags I can see depends on make can accept a max oal from 2.275 to 2.800. Far as the p mags you must have special ones I have gen3 and gen4 and 2.260 is it for me.. I dont know what gen my pmags are, but all bought within the last year. Mine are also 2.260" Gen 3 been around since 2013 anything in the store nowadays should be gen3. Unless that store can't sell chit and have gen1 and gen 2 stock from 10yrs ago. Lol Correction made too my statement, no such bird as gen4..
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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Where are you finding gen 4 Pmags?
Myself, Google and even Magpul haven't heard of them. (And Magpul still sells Gen 2 mags)
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The 69s were 2.255 OAL, the 75s were 2.225 OAL.
I will say David has them 75 seated way too deep even for 223 service rifle loads. I'm finding 2.255-2.260 to be a good starting point. I do know if you are loading 77 Sierra otm black hills is seating them too 2.247 in their mk262 mod1 loads. I wouldn't knock it til you try it. A lot of ARs shoot 77 SRAs better at 2.22" than at 2.25".
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Where are you finding gen 4 Pmags?
Myself, Google and even Magpul haven't heard of them. (And Magpul still sells Gen 2 mags) I'm all phu cked up gen3 m4 pmags.. my bad.. excuse my ignorance on that one.. I have gen2 and gen3.. thanks for the correction..
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Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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No biggie, I just thought I missed something.
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No biggie, I just thought I missed something. We have problems as it is with bad info on the World Wide Web. I don’t need to be contributing too that. Someone reads that, next thing you know they are calling magpul asking for a magazine that doesn’t exist lol.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Don't know what to tell you on the PMAGs, except the rounds are absolutely 2.275 and they fit and feed in my 20 round PMAGs.
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Don't know what to tell you on the PMAGs, except the rounds are absolutely 2.275 and they fit and feed in my 20 round PMAGs. I think PMAGs have been made in a bunch of OALs. The ones I have won't do anything over 2.260". I could swear I have heard of some that were even closer to 2.30" than 2.275".
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Don't know what to tell you on the PMAGs, except the rounds are absolutely 2.275 and they fit and feed in my 20 round PMAGs. I think PMAGs have been made in a bunch of OALs. The ones I have won't do anything over 2.260". I could swear I have heard of some that were even closer to 2.30" than 2.275". Damn, when you guys find out which ones exactly, id like to know. Especially a 10 rounder, for shooting off the bench.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Damn, when you guys find out which ones exactly, id like to know. Especially a 10 rounder, for shooting off the bench. I think ASCs are the safe bet for longer than 2.26"
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Damn, when you guys find out which ones exactly, id like to know. Especially a 10 rounder, for shooting off the bench. I think ASCs are the safe bet for longer than 2.26" Thanks, I may have to look into those.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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