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To the OP's original question, "Could Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez be the death of the Democrat party?"
I answer, "One can only hope." If the Dems are ended they’ll be replaced with flat-out socialists. Right now you have enough division that Pelosi will clap for Trump saying we’ll never be a socialist nation while Bernie & AOC seath with rage. We also have a Dem party genuinely afraid of a centrist like Schultz. Let’s hope they don’t go away as it’d signal a sizable shift left if you can believe that. Cortez & her ilk are just the logical progression of a party headed hard Left. I don’t know what is more scary; her faction or that of the intersectionalists under Harris. I hate to say it, but I think the media is right, ' She is the demonratic party of the future. Right. She and her ilk, will not destroy the Democrat Party, the party will alway be, they will just gradually shift it further and further left. The only difference between her and the old timers in the Democrat Party, is that she isn't afraid to hide what the Democrat party actually stands for now.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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It is cause for concern that supporters of a Republican President are compelled to defend his statements about firearms on a pro gun website. His troubling statements about bump stocks and red flag laws were completely voluntary and likely to mirror his thinking exactly.
guess you'll be voting dem next time ? Next time? Ya mean again, right.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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I think you are correct in all you say. But I think the 2A would have been in better hands with a President other than Trump. I shudder at the thought of Hillary, but if a Dem went after guns, the Repubs would unite against it.
Trump can give up our rights and you won’t hear a whimper from either party.
Would the Repubs dare go after a Democrat who wanted to outlaw abortion? We tried Texans a Presidents, this country would never survive another one. Get over it. ...and Negros, don't forget about the Negros.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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ANY Republican President would have been given the same list of names that Trump picked from and would very likely have made the same choices so he is due no points for that. I will admit, and have before, that he is to be commended for sticking with Kavanaugh when the going got rough.A couple or three on that stage might have deserted him.
If I was in the same boat as you, Hatari, etal, I’d be tempted to fast forward to the General Election where Hillary was the alternative just as y’all are doing. But I believe that I’d have to revisit the Primaries in my mind and admit that there were candidates on that stage who are genuinely committed to the 2A. Self deception ain’t my gig.
Better back up there a second, chief. I am on record many times here stating I voted for Cruz in my state's Primary. On paper, I favored his positions over the others. Cruz lost! Cruz turned out to have zero charisma and didn't connect with the voters. Cruz damn near lost his Senate seat to a Millennial lightweight because of his lack of charisma. Cruz is not President these days and Cruz is not the only thing standing between me and total Leftist chaos. Trump is. So be careful with how you think you need to pigeonhole me. With Cruz not winning the one thing I didn't become is pessimistic or bitter. I have not become a negativist. Instead, I have come to appreciate much of what Trump is doing for us: deregulation, trade, energy, foreign policy the SCOTUS are all fantastic examples. I am not a sore loser because my guy didn't win. I appreciate that he's a fighter, and the Right has had so few that will fight hard and dirty when needed. The Left has no problem fighting dirty, and the more success they have with Alinsky tactics, the more often they will turn to them. Trump has been able to fight those off better than anybody I've seen. People don't like it, but he'll fight fire with fire and has been successful. Look at how he has marginalized Elizabeth Warren, just like he did RINO Little Marco. Look at how Trump came out on top over the NFL and Colin Kaepernick's attention whore stunt. People are taking pride in standing for the Natinal Anthem once again. This is a Culture War victory. Some people won't acknowledge his victories, and just want to complain because they want to complain. See Negativistic Passive Aggressive Personality Disorder. Could help you out with other interpersonal relationships. My Good Samaritan tip of the day for you. So you will throw Trump a backhanded compliment on sticking with Kavanaugh, but incessantly bitch and moan about him every day? (Problem with authority figures, chief?) Can you grasp the idea that no candidate can deliver even a majority of what they run on, because they have to work with Congress? Can you gather they are not absolute monarchs? Can you fathom that in Trump's case that he doesn't drop his battles like others? No wall yet doesn't mean "no wall ever"? Can you accept that that getting 20% of what you want now, 20% later and another 20% down the road means you get a majority of what you are after? Have you ever realized that the Dems will take that, and have been perfectly satisfied to take what they can get reach time they have power, and they advance their agenda? The world has not come to an end, Trump hasn't taken you guns (better believe that Schumer will!) Trump is having one hell of fight over border security that he has not given up on, but the Dems have decided they will live or die on that hill with him. So you say "self deception ain't my gig"? Looks like living in the past is. Cruz lost! Yeah, maybe a stronger 2A guy, but so was Charlton Heston. Heston is dead, and Cruz is not President and NEITHER ever will be. How long are you gonna cry over it? Why does this look like like how the Dems cryi over Hillary's loss? Yep, that's what you sound like. They just can't get over the disappointment that Hillary was beaten by Trump. They remain so disappointed that they want revenge on him. "Impeach! Obstruct! Resist!'. You seem to fit right into that philosophy. Tell me, Mr. Hypercritical, what is that Trump has done to your 2A that has you all agitated. Bump stocks? First of all, I'm surprised they ever got by ATF regs to begin with. Second, I can do the same with a rubber band, and Trump has not outlawed those. Third, I can still get a CL III stamp and get FULLY AUTO! I refuse to get an ulcer over this piece of nothing regulation. If I want a selective fire Vietnam Era SP1 M16, I can have one. Nothing has changed. This is hardly a Nose of the Camel scenario, despite how some try to paint it. You talk like Trump doubled down on the the Gun Control Act of 1968 or something. You are fretting about what Trump might do, and are awash in paranoia over it. In the meantime, Chuck Schumer is a known quantity. That SOB will get the guns. Pelosi will get the guns. Kamala, Durban, Feinstein WILL get the guns. Worry about them. Better yet, why don't you work to keep them, the obvious threat to the 2A out of power? Hmmm? You contribute any of your hard earned cash in races outside your probable safe District? Are you retired or have time to help a campaign elsewhere to keep Pelosi out of power? No? All too easy to point a finger than to lift one. It is not Cruz that stands between us and them right now. Time to let it go and realize that this passive-aggressive stance toward Trump inches you closer to a world run by Chuck and Nancy. If that occurs, you will have plenty in actuality to worry about. You won't need to make potential scenarios up. #Neversatisfied.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
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Interesting 2A debate going on. Interesting on how people collect information and formulate opinions. I was at the Dallas Safari Club 3 weeks ago. I talked to two notable people about Trump and his 2A stance.
The first was Col. Allen West. He's an impressive no bullcrap man. He is 100% certain that Trump will stand strong on 2A, and when I questioned the bump stock thing, West assured me that is a political throw away that could and probably will die in court as soon as someone wants to challenge it. Because a bump stock requires the trigger to be actuated with each firing, it is no different that pulling the trigger quickly. His words. Says it is obvious to him the wording in the XO was made to be defeated. It affects virtually no one, can be successfully challenged in court setting precedence, and takes the issue out of the Democrats hands all the while allowing Trump to say to detractors he acted on senseless gun violence.
Next person I talked to on the subject was Donald Trump Jr. Yes, he was there Thursday of the show. First of all, to show up at DSC in support of hunting and 2A is major sign of support with the hunting/shooting industry being a major target of the Left. Don Jr. is a big hunter and 2A advocate, and assured everyone that Sr. is too, or otherwise Jr. wouldn't be supporting such causes with such a high profile or enthusiasm.
Now, you can dismiss this a playing politics if you wish, but these two guys showed up in the lion's den, walked amongst the crowd, took pictures, answered questions, and truly looked to be enjoying themselves. They were there showing support for hunting and shooting. They both assured me and others that the White House stands with them. So what is more likely? DJT sends his son to DSC to bullschitt everyone there, or that he's a supporter?
#Neversatisfied crowd would have just be jaded and shrug this off as empty rhetoric. I'm waiting for "He lied about the Wall too!". All the while, Trump continues to fight the Dems to get it. The #Neversatisfied are pissed that all 2000 miles of aren't built yet, therefore we've been betrayed. That sort of malarky.
I am not worried about Trump taking my 2A rights. I AM worried that should Trump not get re-elect that CHUCK SCHUMER damn sure will come after them! Which is more likely, Schumer or Trump gets the guns? Schumer has been doing it for 30+ years. Let's say Schumer has a Dem President, House and Senate, who's getting your guns in 2021? It won't be DJT!
Time to worry about real threats, and not those imagined or dreamed up from fretful paranoia. But,but,but, President Trump's nominee for AG isn't pro gun, so that right there tells us that President Trump is Anti-Second Amendment and that he will take out guns away for sure. He might gunna use the Military to do it too. Yup, that's all the proof we need.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Oh, sorry. I'm now defeated and depressed. ):
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
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More of interest to me is whether she can eat an apple through a chainlink fence. Corn on the cob through a screen door ,was my dad's go to.
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ANY Republican President would have been given the same list of names that Trump picked from and would very likely have made the same choices so he is due no points for that. I will admit, and have before, that he is to be commended for sticking with Kavanaugh when the going got rough.A couple or three on that stage might have deserted him.
If I was in the same boat as you, Hatari, etal, I’d be tempted to fast forward to the General Election where Hillary was the alternative just as y’all are doing. But I believe that I’d have to revisit the Primaries in my mind and admit that there were candidates on that stage who are genuinely committed to the 2A. Self deception ain’t my gig.
And I’m not delusional enough to take comfort by claiming only Trump could beat Hillary. He was the one who parroted that claim, along with saying he would put her in prison. My progression was Carson - Cruz - Trump. Unfortunately, neither Carson nor Cruz could win the primaries, so revisit as much as you like, but if you can't win the primaries, you can't get in the general. The primaries may be a fun place to hang for mental masturbation and general fantasy, but the adults had to face reality in the general election. You didn't vote Perot again, did you?
Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
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Hatari, great post. Thanks for that.
Trump is doing great considering all the resistance he’s getting from the swamp, Dems and Rinos.
I think the AG nominee gives him a candidate that should slide thru the conformation process. That man’s gun philosophy isn’t the same as Trump’s. But Trump is President, AG is just the AG, serves at the pleasure of the President.
We have a LOT riding on Trump’s success.
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ANY Republican President would have been given the same list of names that Trump picked from and would very likely have made the same choices so he is due no points for that. I will admit, and have before, that he is to be commended for sticking with Kavanaugh when the going got rough.A couple or three on that stage might have deserted him.
If I was in the same boat as you, Hatari, etal, I’d be tempted to fast forward to the General Election where Hillary was the alternative just as y’all are doing. But I believe that I’d have to revisit the Primaries in my mind and admit that there were candidates on that stage who are genuinely committed to the 2A. Self deception ain’t my gig.
And I’m not delusional enough to take comfort by claiming only Trump could beat Hillary. He was the one who parroted that claim, along with saying he would put her in prison. Used to be a big Cruz supporter until I found out he is a just another member of the swamp. Just another Bushy America needed an outsider with a big set of ballz to call out all the the rinos ( Cruz) and reset its course. The only people that could do this were men like Trump a billionaire who could self fund his campaign and is not dependent of political contributions and whore money. There is no way Cruz would have had the ballz to do what Trump does on a daily basis. Cruz is entrenched in the corrupt political system and not willing to risk his power. And Remember his wife would jeopardize her multimillion dollar yearly salary as an exec at Goldman Sachs ( part of the swamp) if Cruz spoke out against Globalist policies that are killing America.
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Occurs to me that the #Neversatified crowd is where the Paulistas now gather to complain and criticize now that Ron retired. Seems to me he was out of Texas too.
In that light, the complaints look familiar.
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More of interest to me is whether she can eat an apple through a chainlink fence. I say she can
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Unfortunately ACO is probably the future of the Democrat party.
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It’s apparent that some of you have some grandiose idea that by vilifying and slandering anyone who disagrees with you that you are somehow making the country safer or somehow transforming Donald Trump into something he has never been..... a real man.
I apologize for interfering in your safe space.
I won’t do it anymore.
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She has been in Congress about a month and she is already a multimillionaire. Netflix paid her $10 million for a documentary.
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Although she, AOC, is an idiot of the first order she is typical of the democrat/Marxist party today. Those loons truly believe that crap and believe it or not it sells to those that want something for nothing. And as usual we are happy to eat our own which supports them by proxy.
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She has been in Congress about a month and she is already a multimillionaire. Netflix paid her $10 million for a documentary. And so they should, after all it is straight from the horse's mouth.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Unfortunately ACO is probably the future of the Democrat party. She will change the Democrat party for sure, just a question of how .. and how that affects the rest of the country. She could potentially move the whole thing left more or less whole. That's a bad thing. She could fracture it, moving part much farther left, but leaving the rest more or less whole and opposed to her far left faction. That could potentially benefit everyone else. She could move a good portion of it left but disenfranchise more moderate democrats which MIGHT be republican "pick-ups" which could also prove a net win for the country. Tom
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Here be dragons ...
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It’s apparent that some of you have some grandiose idea that by vilifying and slandering anyone who disagrees with you that you are somehow making the country safer or somehow transforming Donald Trump into something he has never been..... a real man.
I apologize for interfering in your safe space.
I won’t do it anymore. It might come down to this: 1. The “single issue, 2A” can only be guaranteed by the scotus, not ANY presidential candidate. Period. 2. Whether Cruz or any other republican candidate would have put forth the same 2 for the scotus is only speculation, nothing more. 3. Barr doesn’t make laws. 4. No president has ever done more than Trump has in such a short period and done so alone.
The degree of my privacy is no business of yours.
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