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And here we go with more do nothing know everything bull crap.....Carry on kids
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China tried to copy Nightforce as well, but the cost of the lead needed was too high, to get the weights to match.
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But do the Counterfeits track better? Lost confidence in some Leupolds, ability to track and hold zero please try and improve on that. If you do I will buy more. I,ll stand by what I said !
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But do the Counterfeits track better? Lost confidence in some Leupolds, ability to track and hold zero please try and improve on that. If you do I will buy more. Hello everyone! Counterfeits are a big issue these days, and unfortunately we and other manufacturers have encountered more and more examples lately. Unfortunately due to the variety of counterfeits out there (and the variety of scopes we at Leupold have made over the years), there is no single way to identify a counterfeit. Your best protection against counterfeits is to purchase from established sporting goods retailers. We often see counterfeits from private eBay Sellers, Wish.com, ioffer.com, aliexpress.com, and Alibaba.com, as well as many other small websites that try to undersell retailers. There is no such thing as a Leupold Riflescope made specifically for the Asian market. All Leupold scopes are manufactured in our only facility in Beaverton Oregon – that has always been the case, and always will be. A genuine Leupold will not ship from Hong Kong, Singapore, or any other Asian port.If you are purchasing a scope used or from a private seller and want to confirm its authenticity, please contact Leupold directly. The best way to confirm authenticity would be to email us at ProductSpecialist Leupold.com with a serial number, full description of the scope, and attached images of the whole scope. We track information on all counterfeits that we come across, and can typically ID a fake pretty easily. That said, it’s a bit of an arms race. Counterfeiters are always trying make their fakes look more real. We’re seeing new fakes on a regular basis, so emailing us the above info also helps us keep on top of the issue. Please read kk alaska's post and get back to us... Hahahaha!!!!
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Hello everyone! Counterfeits are a big issue these days, and unfortunately we and other manufacturers have encountered more and more examples lately. Unfortunately due to the variety of counterfeits out there (and the variety of scopes we at Leupold have made over the years), there is no single way to identify a counterfeit. Your best protection against counterfeits is to purchase from established sporting goods retailers. We often see counterfeits from private eBay Sellers, Wish.com, ioffer.com, aliexpress.com, and Alibaba.com, as well as many other small websites that try to undersell retailers. There is no such thing as a Leupold Riflescope made specifically for the Asian market. All Leupold scopes are manufactured in our only facility in Beaverton Oregon – that has always been the case, and always will be. A genuine Leupold will not ship from Hong Kong, Singapore, or any other Asian port.If you are purchasing a scope used or from a private seller and want to confirm its authenticity, please contact Leupold directly. The best way to confirm authenticity would be to email us at ProductSpecialist Leupold.com with a serial number, full description of the scope, and attached images of the whole scope. We track information on all counterfeits that we come across, and can typically ID a fake pretty easily. That said, it’s a bit of an arms race. Counterfeiters are always trying make their fakes look more real. We’re seeing new fakes on a regular basis, so emailing us the above info also helps us keep on top of the issue. I got a smoking deal for you my friend. Send one of your upper end rifle scopes to me, and I'll compare tracking to my cheap azzed SWFA SS rifle scope. Hell, I can even drive to Beaverton, if you wish. I'll post results on this site. Maybe the owners and managers of Leupold can watch that and lean something and really change things up and put a good dependable product out there. I could care the fu ck less how good your warranty is, even when its a given that the purchaser will undoubtedly be using that service... Oh, by the way, SWFA has a stellar warranty policy as well. Leupold isn't the only "dog and pony show" around. They may work for some guys that only shoot their rifles once or twice a year. It's those guys and the old timers, that have unflailing brand loyalty, that keep your business afloat. I love it!!! TFF!!! fuggers lost me as customer in 2017 after being a customer since 1979 when I was 16 yrs old. The VX3i 3.5-10×40 abortion I went thru was enough for me to never buy their half assed new scopes. Ever again. Leupold better pray SWFA dont come out with a hunting version of their 3-9×42. I know many of us are hoping and praying SWFA will very soon..
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But do the Counterfeits track better? Lost confidence in some Leupolds, ability to track and hold zero please try and improve on that. If you do I will buy more. If SWFA can do it on $300 scopes, Leupold should as well.....a 3.5-10x40 vx3i CDS that actually tracked and held zero even at 15-16 oz, might sell ok.... Yep, I tried 2 Leupold VX3 3.5-10X40 with CDS consecutively and total fail... It's great chasing zero with em. Even better putting 2 clicks of windage on em and seeing the reticle move 12- 14 inches off target on a 45°angle to the 4 oclock. Fugging company owes me about 170 bucks between ammo burnt up And what I sold their NIB replacement for the day after I got it in the mail. Knew I would never buy leupold again. Cheaper for em to replace than repair. Speaks volumes of their business model. Oh and the tech I talked to let the cat outta the bag. All broke dick scopes that are sent in, replaced with NIB sent to the unaware customer. Broke dick scopes are disassembled and parts put back on the line. Same tech also said QC is nonexistent and low in their new volume plan Get em out Hope for the best Replace if needed Good stuff QC Hajahahaha!!!!
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I've had 2 bad SWFA scopes do I act like they raped my daughter? No
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One of the issues with ebay, and I suspect the counterfeit Leupold dealers will catch on, is that sellers can lie about the product location without any repercussions from ebay. I order a lot bicycle parts. I specify in my search located USA only. I still get crap that ships from overseas. A lot of times the seller name is a dead giveaway. Then an arrival date that is far out and has a large window for the arrival.
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One of the issues with ebay, and I suspect the counterfeit Leupold dealers will catch on, is that sellers can lie about the product location without any repercussions from ebay. I order a lot bicycle parts. I specify in my search located USA only. I still get crap that ships from overseas. A lot of times the seller name is a dead giveaway. Then an arrival date that is far out and has a large window for the arrival. I reported the counterfeit Leupolds to eBay and the woman who I spoke to was a complete idiot. She told me that eBay never allowed any rifle scopes to be sold. I told her that she was clueless and asked her to transfer me to her supervisor since she didn't know what she was talking about. I spoke to another woman who said that she'd look into it, but nothing positive happened since the Chinese seller is still advertising counterfeit 1.5-6x32, 2-7x33, and 3.5-10x40 "Leupolds" on eBay. Do a search on "3.5-10x40mm scope" and you'll find dozens of counterfeit Leupolds for under $70. The counterfeit sellers don't use the name "Leupold" anywhere in their ads, but the pictures in the ads make the scopes look like they are Leupold brand scopes. I'm surprised that Leupold doesn't try to get eBay to put some controls into place to address the counterfeit problem. eBay seems to mostly care about earning their fees and they don't seem to care about proliferation of counterfeit products on their site.
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Wouldn't wanrt to offend the Chinese or risked being called a Racist. 3/4 the [bleep] on ebay comes from China.
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