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Hello North61,
I cant find where you've ever tested the old style Barnes 250gr heavy jacket bullets in the 348 Winchester, question is, I looked over my loaded rounds today, I have 69 left loaded to an easy on the old 1937 year model steel of 2258 fps.
I want to go with the Woodleigh 250gr Weldcores at the same velocitiy, is that the best route, or have you found the old Barnes 250 to be a better bullet? should I look for more of those?
I thought today how fun it'd be to hunt the great bears of Alaska with this rifle, deer and pigs are certainly on the menu, and maybe an elk in the timber.
Thanks, gunner
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Howdy Gunner, haven't seen him post for a while, but from what I remember from his videos, the Barnes (of which I too have a bunch) apparently lost their cores in many of his tests. I believe he preferred the Woodleigh, but he really likes the 200gr Hornady, which is what he took his moose with . One shot kill, too. jorge
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Howdy Gunner, haven't seen him post for a while, but from what I remember from his videos, the Barnes (of which I too have a bunch) apparently lost their cores in many of his tests. I believe he preferred the Woodleigh, but he really likes the 200gr Hornady, which is what he took his moose with . One shot kill, too. jorge That’s what I recall as well.
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I've been PMing Greg about loads for my recently acquired 348 and he claimed the Woodleigh was his most accurate load at 2250fps.......H414 powder.
That's probably what I will load for mine.
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I was just given a box of 230gr North Forks. Going to test load them using 250gr data....
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Hello Jorge, EdM and Vern, thanks for all the help and info, all I can say is damn the technology, was out with a bud of mine this morning, he has one of those fancy smart phones, he gave me a number to a guy up at Alaska Bullet Works, the guy called me back and said he'd send me some bullets if I'd send him a check when they arrived. I now have four boxes of ABW 348 cal. 250gr bullets on the way. the nice old Gent on the phone said they have been used to handily kill all Alaskan game for more than 35 years, they'll shoot through anything up there, he also stated he has lots of elk moose and black bear hunter customers in the Pacific Northwest and Canada that effectively harvest all manner of large heavy game. I'll give these a good go, betting I wont be disappointed, I really appreciate ABW's trust as well.
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I was just given a box of 230gr North Forks. Going to test load them using 250gr data.... Congrats on the 230 NF's too Jorge, bet they'll be a hell of a plow too.
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Users of the Model 71 will be happy with the 250 gr AK Bullet Works bullets. They flat out are great bullets. The North Fork are a good weight and excellent constructed bullet. My recent hunting for Alaska moose used a M-71 in Ackley Imp which is darn close to the 35 Whelen in velocity and energy. Using a 270 gr Hawk FP bullet, the rifle flattened a 7ft at the shoulder Wein Lake AK bull moose. Took us 6 hours to skin, gut and transport this animal. One shot kill through the neck.
Bullets like Swift, Woodleigh, AK BW, and Hawk carry the .348 into almost a different caliber's results in killing power on large animals. The Hornady bullet-at 200 grs-is still a better bullet than what was available in the 1940s-1950s .
If anyone plans to use the Model 71 on aggressive grizzlies in Canada-Alaska, speaking from experience-I suggest the .450 Alaskan. ABW makes a nice 400 FP for my 450s: Unless the bear is mild mannered, with the 348 WCF- you may make the news- for the wrong reason.
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Gunner I have an outstanding load for those 250 Barnes. Let me know.
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Thanks for all that 450, i appreciate it. Hello Jorge, Thanks, but, the only 250gr Barnes' I have left are loaded, my old load was 56.5gr RL-17 for 2357 fps, I decided to be kinder to the old rifle and not load the next rounds with new brass to factory spec, my newer load with the Barnes bullets is 53grs RL-17 for 2258 fps, I was also rewarded with more accuracy, all that said, I don't believe a deer, pig, black bear or elk is going to be laying there wondering if my load was running 22, or 2350 fps, they probably wont care either.
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I was just given a box of 230gr North Forks. Going to test load them using 250gr data.... Congrats on the 230 NF's too Jorge, bet they'll be a hell of a plow too. I’d like to give those NFs a try myself.
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I was just given a box of 230gr North Forks. Going to test load them using 250gr data.... Congrats on the 230 NF's too Jorge, bet they'll be a hell of a plow too. I’d like to give those NFs a try myself. They gotta be a hammer Buddy, I can't wait to get those 250gr Alaskan Bullet Works bullets in, build a load, and accuracy check, I have no doubt they'll work fine on game.
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Gunner500, I never shot any of those little ABW bullets that you guys are discussing, but I can tell you that the 450 grain .458 FMJ Kodiaks at 2150 fps shoot through Cape buff and Bison easily and one even dropped an ele with a frontal brain shot from my 1886 .45-90. They are hammers! However, the NFFPS and Punch are better for frontal brain shots as they shoot through the ele head and on into the body - have to be cut out.
Great bullets do make a difference.
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Thanks for all that 450, i appreciate it. Hello Jorge, Thanks, but, the only 250gr Barnes' I have left are loaded, my old load was 56.5gr RL-17 for 2357 fps, I decided to be kinder to the old rifle and not load the next rounds with new brass to factory spec, my newer load with the Barnes bullets is 53grs RL-17 for 2258 fps, I was also rewarded with more accuracy, all that said, I don't believe a deer, pig, black bear or elk is going to be laying there wondering if my load was running 22, or 2350 fps, they probably wont care either. Been working the 230 North Forks today with RL-17 and promising results. Your 53 load is closer to what I use and I go with 2250 or as close as I can get it. My load is 58gr of H 4350 and WLRs
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I've been using the ABW Kodiak 250gr bullets in my 356 win for many years, very accurate and excellent wound channel. Have 4 boxes on way, when he does another run will get more, best bullet I've found for the 356.
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crshelton, good to know quality resonates throughout the caliber spectrum with the company, and congrats on smacking an ele and cape buffalo. Jorge, Thanks for the H-4350 and WLR hit, if RL-17 doesn't pan with the ABW 250's I have plenty of H on hand, good luck with the 230's and 17 too. 338fed, good to know, that 356 probably really pushes those 250's, glad to hear they hold up and are accurate, I still think my old '71 348 with either 250gr ABW or Woodleigh would be a great big bear choice, a proper hit from either aint going to buff out.
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I use the Woodleigh 250gr bullets in my 348, very accurate and recovered bullets performed perfectly!
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I use the Woodleigh 250gr bullets in my 348, very accurate and recovered bullets performed perfectly! NICE! Thanks 338fed, I'm ready to hammer something really big and heavy with this old rifle.
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Gunner, that load works perfectly for the 250 Woodleighas as well. I just returned from the range and obtained "ok" results with RL-17 and 230 North Forks, but there is another 348 shooter here (Beretz maybe?) who had excellent results with RL 17. I basically take an 9" tapering to 6" trapezoid black target (like the one North 61 uses) and can put either 250 Woodleigh, Barnes and 200gr Hornadies, both Flex Tip and flat nose into 4" at 100 yards. I have gotten MOA plus with both loads as well, but I figured that target is "minute of moose, elk, etc" out to 200 yards. My load for the 200s (as well as the 250s) I got from Mule Deer and let me tell you, they work! and right at factory MVs
56/5gr Varget for the 200s and WLRs there as well too.
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edit: do a search here and you'll find many posts with loads with my stuff as well as the other users,
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NICE! and Thanks Jorge, and hell yes, beretzs is a shooter for sure, I believe he has a receiver peep on his 71 too, my rifle will average around three inches at 100 with the Barnes bullets and bolt peep sight, I need to go smack a cow elk with those 250gr Alaskan Bullet Works I have on the way, thinking she will stumble, stagger and fall soon after the hit, a lot of 'good' delivered with 250grs and these old rifles.
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