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It became a "them and us" in the early 60's. Thanks to the hippy movement and the anti war protesters. It's even worse today than anytime in history. I don't like the black uniforms, because I have black sights on my weapons, although I have scopes on my rifles.

Dan

I don't know boys, there is something about being put in a position of authority that goes to a lot of peoples heads. They can't handle it. My old grand daddy used to say that more good men have been ruined by wearing a pistol and keeping a stud horse than any thing else in the world. There is one guy in an adjoining county that is a prime example. Paul is as nice a guy as you want to meet but when he puts on his uniform he turns into a complete bas***d. On top of that he is an idiotic bas***d.
We are pretty fortunate here in my little old county in that there are still enough true hard case people around that when a deputy or trooper starts to get too big for his britches a few quiet talks and a couple of "Hey sonnie boy listen up a minute" has so far worked things out. I don' t have any experience with big city boys any more thankfully.

BCR

I've heard alot of stories simular to Jim's by friends and neighbors. Most of them involve local police or "Town Clowns".

Based on my own expriences, I find that local township cops seem to have more attitude, usually bad. The PA State Police, OTOH have, with one exeption, always seemed both curteous and profesional. I've got nothing but respect for them.

I've had several occasions to meet State Cops. Some that have cost me money over traffic violations <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />, some where they were doing their best to help out. I've seen them approach a growling "mad dog", thought to be rabid, investigating robberies, and just generaly "keeping the peace".

Only once, have I met one with "attitude". Of course he was pretty young, and I've heard many times that newbie cops have a Rambo attitude and think they're God's gift to law enforcement. This guy seemed to prove that rule, but all the others I've met were respectful, even though alot of times, I'd broken the law.

Most of the town cops I've seen, were the opposite. Harrassing folks, throwing their weight around, and acting like jerks. And I've never gotten a citation from one, that's just the impresion I got.

I've got the utmost respect fpr State Cops, and It's them who (At least around here) deal with the real criminals. I'd bet 90% of what the town cops deal with around here are traffic stops or busting teenagers. Town cops or Game Wardens, I've got nothing for.
7mm

I've strong opinions upon this thread,but will leave them go as I doubt anything will be realized. So I'll spare you boys those thoughts and have me a big piece of JJ's cake.

Will close in saying,that I'm thankful I had the wits to reside in a small community,that largely never has to deal with the things many of you gents seemingly get upon a regular basis...................

I guess I've been lucky. I've been pulled over roughly to 10 times since I've started driving, ranging from a handful of tickets to headlights out and routine stops. Add a few more "interactions" with fish cops. I always treat them with respect and have received nothing but courtesy, even when they're writing me a speeding ticket! Most in fact were damn nice guys. Fact of the matter is, I deserved every speeding ticket I've received <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />(not many, fortunately) and readily admitted it. Hell, I've been let out of a couple more that I deserved. Guarantee they'd of been written if I'd of been a jerk or in the least bit disrespectful.

My feelings are YES, there are some jerks, but at the same time these guys are doing a damn dangerous job and never know when the next speeder is going to pull a gun and end their days.

It's a grief to me to have this opinion but I've come to the same view of police as Jim in Idaho. I started with the high view of police passed on by my father, and have been worn down through negative, rude, high handed, abuse of authority experiences over the years. I have solemnly cautioned my children to have as little to do with police as possible, and if a policeman is asking any question remotely connected to them personally, to shut up and get a lawyer.

Yet I respect the police and am grateful for the difficult job you do. I've just learned to avoid abuse and rudeness by avoiding police on duty.

In America, we assign police an extremely difficult task: to enforce the law and keep peace while severely limited by civil rights. We know, as the Founding Fathers knew, that Civil Liberties hamper police work. But until very recently, we preferred freedom and innocent until proven guilty over efficient police work. If a policeman is unwilling to work within the restraints of the Constitution, he should go into other work. That eliminates most people from the job right there. Yes, we tie the hands of police with civil rights, and we do it knowingly, on purpose. Live with it or get another job. If enough people quit, the pay will go up.

In my work I have become friends with several policemen, good friends with two of them. A third colleague, now out of police work but with many LE friends still at local and federal levels, told me calmly one day that he does not trust police, and that the higher the level of police involved, the less he trusts them. This from a decorated big city officer assigned to guard the President when he was in town, a pioneer in early SWAT team development, etc. who is now a successful respected businessman.

Twice I've seen local police harrass and do their best to pin a felony on an innocent person, once because the cops didn't like the guy (with some bad mouth reason, but that isn't grounds for a felony charge), and the other out of religious bias is all I can guess. The second case had zero evidence to charge and considerable exonerating the accused and charges were never filed. The sheriff finally told the overzealous cop in that case to drop it and do something useful. In the former case, the local cops won. They arrested, charged and got a conviction in a local court. The first appeal judge threw the entire case out because the evidence was bogus any way you looked at it, and had been from the moment the cops made it up and supressed contrary proof. The cops are happy. The young man left the state and I have advised him he would be foolish to return.

The Republicans use crime and the wars on drugs and terror as excuses to suppress civil rights. The Democrats use gun violence and equality laws to do the same thing.

I will concur that every highway patrol officer I've come in contact with, in any State, has been courteous, whether giving me a deserved ticket on on other duty. Many Canadian Mounties in the same situation are courteous but a consistently sizeable percentage of them have a Rambo complex.

I, for one, am getting real tired of bad guys getting off because the cops, often with the help of the DA or assistant DA, cooked, altered, added to, or created the evidence. If they don't have enough real evidence to convict him, then he has to be let go. That is our system. It ain't perfect, but better than the alternatives. I think that in ANY cases, from speeding tickets on up to death sentences, that if anyone in the system can be shown to have knowingly falsified evidence, they should have to serve out the maximum sentence the falsely accused could have or did receive, up to and including death. Lucky for us that I'm not Czar for a year. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

CAT, I could live with that as long as it is proven they falseified the evidence. A liar has no business in authority or leadership. We could bury them on your back 40 and fertilize the whole area, course I don't know what it would grow. -- no

I don't know about your law enforcement agencies but the ones in my area are strife with corruption. Seems there is a new grand jury investigation every week. One small town's police chief just resigned amid a grand jurys probe into his actions regarding one of his boys drinking with an underage female, he also closed down a kops'n kids athletic program - nobody seems to know where thousands of dollars went. We have some good cops but alot of corrupt ones, especially the upper echelon. All the females I know in law enforcement are messed up, they get involved in infidelty, sex harassment cases etc. I'm not going by rumors either. MtnHtr

Mtn Hunter:

Save some of those female officer's phone numbers that are involved in infidelity...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Wow, this thing went south did it not?

I would like to add a few comments to what I've said eairler. I have many friends who are law enforcement people; City cops, DPS Troopers, Border Patrol,Game Wardens, and one CIA field agent have shared my fishing boat, hunting camp, and dinner table. I have the utmost respect for them all. And I can tell you that each one of them have voiced opinions about the black clad storm troopers. They all think it is way out of line. They talk about those types as "Rambos" and military wantabes. The most common thread running through all my friends is that they are all over 35 years old and know what the United States Constituition says and means.

Another thing they all have in common is this; Each and every one of them is involved in a church, Scout Troop, civic club, or other activity that brings them into contact with good people. Average law abiding citizens. That's how they keep from becoming "jaded" and turning into a$$ holes.

This really happened. I was living in the Los Angeles area in a nice home. Our next door neighbors consisted of a lady with three kids, one girl 17 and two boys, one 22 and the other 19. The lady also had her elderly mother living with her. The 22 year old wasn't home. The lady worked at McDonald Douglas.
At 3:30am the "SWAT TEAM" without warning busted down the front door, tore into each bedroom and dragged all out to the front yard and laid them face down on the grass with a shotgun at the back of their heads. Yes, even grama. They held the women out side and took the 19 year old man to the upstairs bathroom where they broke his leg (interogating) him. They then let them all go but told the mother if any reports came in about this they'd be back and wouldn't be as nice.
This really happened, it woke me up, I was next door watching all the comotion. Until you see it for yourself you wouldn't want to
believe it.
David

stronics, you seem to have left out a major piece of that story ....

If I were to encounter these "Ninjas" LF or not (around here marked SWAT), my hands imediately raise in the air. Tuffest job out there... IMHO