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Killed Tom Petty.
I can't remember, but some crazy amount like an ounce could OD everyone in Boston. I tried looking it up but I couldn't find it.
Anyway because it is so powerful, a small quantity is easily smuggled. It is also cheap to produce.
Plenty of financial incentive to produce it, so China only has too look the other way and let some mafia manufacture.
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I suspect it is the money angle, like always. We all have family members who are addicted to something, drugs, or booze. Some of it seems to be a genetic trail, and mental health (still genetic) plays a large role, I could nebver figure if it is the booze or the personality quirk that comes first but suspect the personality thing.
Wife has chronic pain and needs the meds. operations have failed and more are improbable to do. But she is lumped in with all the others.
I think China (government) has no more skin in the game than the governments of Mexico or whereever. Look atMexican/Colombia cartels and it is again money driven. I don't think that it is right for people who have chronic pain conditions to be denied the medicines that they need. OTOH, there seem to be a lot of physicians who are prescribing pain meds and not following up with their patients to insure that while their pain is being managed, they aren't slipping out of control and into addiction. You would think that it would be fairly hard to run a criminal enterprise under a totalitarian government, but apparently it isn't. I don't trust the Chinese any more than I trust the Russians, which is not at all, and think that it is suicide to allow so many Chinese college students in U.S. colleges and universities. In advanced science and math, most students are Chinese. In the world there are 10X chinese graduates in science that US. https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...stem-graduates-infographic/#126de8d8268a
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Yeah, that and they got Trump elected. They are going to bring us down from the inside.
You know there are Chinese registered on this forum. What kind of f u c k i n g moron are you ? I know you could think that with me posting on this forum full of jerk offs. But I’m only here for a little while. I doubt it. People like you have no where else to go. The last couple of years roster prove that. Looking up the roster. And you think I’m the ignorant one.
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As far as fentynal my pop just turned 82 and has to use it cause its the only thing that has worked for him. Had a stroke in 2014 then fell and jacked his shoulder up after rehab,another stroke 5 months after the first one and more rehab. The strokes were blamed on zeralto,but the shoulder they cant fix because of his heart probs.The shoulder is doable with the pain med. With some mods to some stands he can still hunt but he just calls now to say where its at, he got 2 last year and I was dang glad to go get them for him. That said yea sometimes the meds are BAD but at 82 if it keeps him going then lets just keep going.
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Lost a distant nephew to an overdose about 2 years back. Guess was he got a hot dose laced with fent. His roomies left the body, took his credit card, and headed out to party for the night. Drugs sure screw people up.
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They need to ban Narcan... That would cut off the supply of customers in a few short weeks and put the opioid crises on the front page of the paper in short order.
Well... we have come to the point.... where... the parasites are killing the host. It's only a matter of time now.
They only win.... when they cheat.
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Do you think that the Chinese are purposely pumping Fentanyl into the U.S. as a means to destroy us by our own hand?[/quote]
They dont seem to be stopping it, people are dropping like flies up here and costing our already strained resources millions of dollars.
I always suspected the [bleep] chinese government was making alot of money off other peoples misery.
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They need to ban Narcan... That would cut off the supply of customers in a few short weeks and put the opioid crises on the front page of the paper in short order. I am told that most opioid addicts get started with prescription drugs and move on to street drugs when their legal source dries up. I would support discontinuing the use of public funds for Narcan, but allow opioid users to buy their own supply over the counter to have a friend administer in the event of an over-dose. Otherwise, just let nature take its course.
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The love of money doesn't care if people die or who
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The love of money doesn't care if people die or who Neither do political agendas, otherwise the U.S. Government wouldn't have partially funded our covert role in the War in Laos that ran concurrently with the War in Vietnam via the CIA's facilitation of opium production, refining, and transportation.
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The love of money doesn't care if people die or who Neither do political agendas, otherwise the U.S. Government wouldn't have partially funded our covert role in the War in Laos that ran concurrently with the War in Vietnam via the CIA's facilitation of opium production, refining, and transportation. How can they expect people to believe in the "War on Drugs" when opium poppies were allowed to be grown in Afganastain?
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They are more worried about guns. How many gun deaths compared to drug deaths in the US?
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They need to ban Narcan... That would cut off the supply of customers in a few short weeks and put the opioid crises on the front page of the paper in short order. I'm inclined to agree. Rather than Narcan, they ought to give anyone found OD-ing a nice cocktail of morphine, fentanyl, and meth. They started the trip 'cause they wanted the trip, so help them along .. finish it. Tom
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Democrats do not care about people dying. Just as long as the democrats get the power they want.
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I am told that most opioid addicts get started with prescription drugs and move on to street drugs when their legal source dries up. I would support discontinuing the use of public funds for Narcan, but allow opioid users to buy their own supply over the counter to have a friend administer in the event of an over-dose. Otherwise, just let nature take its course.
I disagree. They may get them from others who get them legally, but not themselves. Think about it---most are in their 20s and 30s. What happened to someone so young that they need opiates for pain? They either got it from someone illegally or went to a doctor and faked symptoms to get a script. They're just weak. I had two shoulder replacement operations in the last year and my Percocet was highly regulated. On the other hand, I only used about 4 of them because I'm not a baby. Too many people have a "woe is me" complex and will self-medicate with anything instead of trying to straighten out their lives.
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They are more worried about guns. How many gun deaths compared to drug deaths in the US? Lack of guns control people the same as the drug war, it's all about money and control.
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They are more worried about guns. How many gun deaths compared to drug deaths in the US? Lack of guns control people the same as the drug war, it's all about money and control. This^.
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Let people take what they want and do what they want. Make some of these drugs OTC but with the pharmacist warning them about over-dosage. A lot of the problems will sort themselves out. It's all about money.
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Laws changed last year in Tn. Only 3 days of opiods are scripted and available for outpatient procedures by drs.
As for "pain clinics" , they are hauling the doctors who operate those place straight to jail.
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You will never stop drug addiction, drug dealers, or smugglers as long as there is a demand. Make it all legal, and put the resources on the education and addiction side.
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