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Elksucker is obviously a member of The Republic of Texas nutjob group...

Members here would be well advised to stay away from him and his ilk, lest they end up classified the "same".

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Republic of Texas (group)


The Republic of Texas is a general term for several organizations, some of which have been called militia groups, that claim the annexation of Texas by the United States was illegal and that Texas remains an independent nation to this day but is under occupation.[/b] The issue of the legal status of Texas led the group to claim to have reinstated a provisional government on December 13, 1995. Activists within the movement claim over 40,000 active supporters, and public opinion polls have shown significant support for the secession of Texas or other states. A September 2014 Reuters/Ipsos poll found over 34% of people in southwestern states favored their own state seceding from the United States. So far, however, supporters have not managed to turn these public sentiments into concrete moves toward an independent Texas.

History

The movement for independence was started by Richard Lance "Rick" McLaren (born c. 1953). McLaren noted that, in 1861, Texans voted four-to-one to leave the Union, and upon further research concluded that Texas still met the qualifications, under international law, of a captive nation of war since the end of the American Civil War in 1865.[citation needed]

The movement split into three factions in 1996, one led by McLaren, one by David Johnson and Jesse Enloe, and the third by Archie Lowe and Daniel Miller. In 1997, McLaren and his followers kidnapped Joe and Margaret Ann Rowe, held them hostage at the Davis Mountain Resort, and demanded the release of a movement member in exchange for the release of the Rowes.[6][7] McLaren's wife, Evelyn, convinced him to surrender peacefully after a week-long standoff with police and Texas Rangers. McLaren and four other Republic of Texas members were sent to prison.[8] Two other members of the group, Richard F. Keyes III and Mike Matson managed to slip away. Matson was shot dead by Texas Rangers two days later, while Keyes surrendered to the authorities on September 19. In June 1998, Keyes was convicted of burglary with intent to commit aggravated assault and sentenced to 90 years in prison.[9] This effectively destroyed the McLaren faction, and the Johnson-Enloe faction was discredited after two of its members, Jack Abbot Grebe Jr. and Johnie Wise, were convicted in 1998 of threatening to assassinate several government officials, including President Bill Clinton.[10]

The McLaren case led to the establishment of the group "STAR", or Sheriffs of Texas Agreed Response, originated by Gary Painter, the sheriff of Midland County, and including officials from some sixty West Texas counties.[11]

In a case involving Richard McLaren and his wife Evelyn as plaintiffs, a United States District Court in the District of Columbia ruled, on April 30, 1998: "Despite plaintiffs' argument ..... [i]n 1845, Texas became the 28th state of the United States of America. The Republic of Texas no longer exists."[12]

In 2003, what remained of the organized movement consolidated into one dominant group recognizing an "interim" government (which replaced the "provisional" government), headed by Daniel Miller. This interim government claimed authority from the original proclamations of 1995 and set up a headquarters in the town of Overton. The movement split again over legal arguments, resulting in the current state of affairs. Most of the original personalities of the movement have disappeared from public view. The organization's finances have come from donations and the sale of some items such as a Republic of Texas Passport. The Republic of Texas headquarters in Overton, Texas, burned down on August 31, 2005; one person was moderately injured.[13]

In January 2004, a man in jail in Aspen, Colorado claimed that the state of Colorado had no jurisdiction to extradite him to California on a probation warrant, on the grounds that he was a citizen of the Republic of Texas. He said that the sliver of land which contains Aspen was a part of the original Republic of Texas and, as such, he was not a citizen of the United States. His claim was rejected by the courts.[14]

In 2010 the group was referenced in U.S. Army War College paper entitled "War: Will, Action and Resources", the paper expanded the definition of war to include non-state actors.[15]

In February 2015, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Texas Attorney General's office, Brazos County deputies and police from the city of Bryan, Texas conducted a raid on a meeting of about sixty followers of a Republic of Texas group. No arrests were made, but the officers seized computers, phones and other items.[16] The raid was conducted in connection with an allegation that a member of the group, claiming to be "chief justice of the international Common Law Court for the Republic of Texas", had issued phony writs of "quo warranto" and "mandamus" and a phony "subpoena", purporting to order both an attorney and a Texas state court judge to appear at "hearings" apparently to be conducted by the group at Bryan, Texas.[17] In 2011, the vice president of the group sent a letter to the governor of Oklahoma, asserting that the governor faced indictment because Oklahoma's counties were "trespassing inside the geographical boundaries" of the Republic of Texas.[18] On April 27, 2015, McLaren, while an inmate at the Texas Clements Unit in Amarillo, Texas, served "Legal Notice of Commencement of Special Inter-Actions" against Chief Justice Richard Barajas, Senior Status, of El Paso, Texas asserting "Declaration at Law Executing Rights Law on or over the Texian Territory"[19]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas_%28group%29

They are also considered to be a "Terrorist Organization"...

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310




GO AWAY, Elksucker.

We don't want you here.

Hole, did I mention Constitutional carry? What does the subject line say? OK, now what shiite are you rambling on about? FAIL Have you always been slow?

Sir, I know you feel strongly about all this, but there’s more’n 30 million people in Texas now. If you put independence on the ballot it would doubtless lose by a wide margin, are you proposing going against the will of the people here?

Apparently so Birdy. It was the will of the people of Texas to vote FOR the ordinance of Annexation in 1845. Im still trying to figure out the whole “Texas was stolen in the middle of the night” angle. Especially since the voting constituency of Texas was given the choice in open referendum.

(Least you and I know who bankrolled that whole Texas Revolution gig)

I see the problem here.

You are using the Texas definition of “intelligent”. You “think” (and I use that term loosely) you have facts. It’s not your fault you were raised, brought up around, and taught by idiots.

Don't be silly. Elksucker isn't a Texan. He's a radical nutjob.

Texas sure doesn't claim him.

Speaking of a non-Texan, IIRC, wasn't Rick McClaren an Missouri native.?

No matter where he's from, he was a problem looking for a radical solution.

Witnessed a ROT type get removed from a movie set one time. He was quite the orator ( in his own mind). Just didn’t have anything to say anyone there wanted to hear. And there was 100’s of us.

This the kind of crap they pull..

No wonder they are all on the terror watch list.

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Republic of Texas Member Dies in Battle with Rangers
By Sue Anne Pressley
The Washington Post
FORT DAVIS, Tex.

One of two Republic of Texas members who fled into the mountains after refusing to surrender along with his comrades Saturday died in a gun battle Monday with state police.

Officials said police and search dogs had cornered the second man, who is also presumed armed, but as of Monday evening he was still at large.

The identity of the dead man was not immediately released. Richard F. Keyes III, 21, and Mike Matson, 48, had slipped away from the group's isolated headquarters in West Texas on Saturday afternoon as Texas Rangers were settling the last details of a surrender agreement with leader Richard McLaren and three others to end the week-long standoff. Authorities, who were focused on negotiations with McLaren, said they watched the men flee and decided at that sensitive moment to let them go.

It was not until Monday, however, that officials felt safe enough to allow about 30 bloodhounds from the Texas Department of Criminal Justice with their handlers to begin nosing through the rugged terrain. On Sunday, Mike Cox, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety, described the group's headquarters and surrounding area as an armed fortress with a dozen gasoline tanks, as many as 60 pipe bombs, eight stocked bunkers and numerous tripwires.

Monday's developments unfolded immediately after the dogs went to work about 8 a.m., according to Jo Schweikhard Moss, a DPS spokeswoman. Several of the dogs ran straight to a bush within a mile's distance from the group's headquarters and gave the alert signal, she said. The two men, apparently hiding together in a bunker near the bush, fired at the dogs, wounding one seriously in the chest and hitting another in the foreleg. Another dog apparently is missing, Moss said. Their human handlers were wearing bulletproof vests.

Then, shortly before 2 p.m., she said, there was more gunfire as the dogs again homed in on their target. "Once the suspects started shooting the helicopter crew overhead and the searchers shot back," she said, adding it was unclear who had fired the fatal shot.

Moss said the two men, who contrary to earlier reports had remained together, were dressed in camouflage clothing. They were equipped with several high-powered weapons, including a .30-30 deer rifle, a semiautomatic military-style rifle and a 9mm handgun.

Of the two, only Keyes had charges pending against him. He was wanted on state charges of organized criminal activity and kidnapping in connection with the April 27 kidnapping that sparked the standoff. Acting on apparent orders from McLaren, he and Gregg and Karen Paulson, a married couple who belonged to the group, shot their way into a neighborhood couple's home, holding them as "prisoners of war" for 12 hours. Joe and M.A. Rowe were freed after Texas Rangers arranged the release of another Republic of Texas member, Robert Scheidt, who had been picked up by local deputies that morning on misdemeanor weapons charges.

But what McLaren and his group most wanted, they insisted, was for officials to agree to a referendum on the issue of whether Texas should be part of the United States. The Republic of Texas movement is based on a disputed claim that Texas, then an independent country, was illegally annexed into the Union in 1845 by a joint resolution of Congress rather than a treaty.

Terry O'Rourke, McLaren's Houston-based attorney, said his client believes he gained some measure of victory with a provision in the "international cease-fire agreement" that would allow McLaren to argue his case in U.S. District Court in Washington.

McLaren, 43, and his common-law wife, Evelyn, 50, along with five other people, were indicted Monday on federal charges of conspiracy, bank fraud, mail fraud, and aiding and abetting. The names of the five others were not released because they are not yet in custody, the Associated Press reported. The charges are in connection with the group's issuance of more than $1.8 billion in bogus Republic of Texas financial documents that were used to pay bills.

The state charges alone against McLaren could net him 99 years in prison. The federal charges carry a maximum penalty of 725 years in prison and $24.25 million in fines.

I posted the facts if you are capable of comprehending the English language.


The REPUBLIC of TEXAS never seceded from the Union, because it could NOT, because it was NEVER "legally" a part of the Union, and international LAW supports this, being there is no treaty in any archives anywhere to prove The REPUBLIC of TEXAS ever became a part of the Union.

Why are you incapable of ascertaining this from the FACTS posted thus far?


How can you be "forced" back into the Union, when there is no legal documentation of you "ever" renouncing your sovereignty?

Yeah, you mentioned Constitutional carry. Look at the bold words of your own posting, clown.

Have you always been an imbecile?

So you think just because the population has increased, since The ROT was illegally annexed, the people should just...let it go, huh...continue to be enslaved and dictated to be the tyranny from Washington, D.C., when they could stand up with international law backing there position, so they could be free from tyranny?

Get clue....the citizens of the REPUBLIC of TEXAS don't have to VOTE FOR SQUAT. THEY ALREADY LEGALLY HAVE A SOVEREIGN NATION....it's just been invaded by a foreign government, like the Central Americans are invading the USA across their southern border.


Why would you want to put independence up for a vote, when you are already INDEPENDENT based on INTERNATIONAL LAW, unless you are for keeping people enslaved to a tyranny government that has illegally invaded a sovereign nation, again, all based on solid concrete evidence I have provided and the LAW?

Why would those words come from your mouth concerning "voting", instead of words to fight for what is legally yours....YOUR FREEDOM. Freedom from tyranny. Oh, you're a teacher in the public schools. That explains it.


Is not ILLEGALLY invading a SOVEREIGN nation...AND ILLEGALLY TAKING IT OVER...GOING AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE...idiot?

I see your postings pertaining to re-enactments of men, where you participate, who had the backbone to fight for their FREEDOM...yet you have a chance, here in the 21st century, to fight for your freedom, but you take the position of supporting the tyranny government...by questioning the FACTS I've posted, and doubting the FACTS....when the FACTS of the LAW state we are a SOVEREIGN NATION.

Have fun with your "re-enactments". The real men, with backbones, will put it all on the line...for "your" freedom, as we are painted as terrorists, like I am here by this Communist in this thread wanting to suppress the truths I'm posting.

Just remember, you people reading this, the founders of the USA were painted as traitors / terrorists too, so why would you people align yourself with someone on this forum, who fights against me, rockinbbar, to suppress my right of freedom of speech and to fight for freedom and the rule of law, especially when he use to be in LE...and was supposed to represent and uphold THE RULE OF LAW?

Why does rockinbbar label men fighting for freedom in that Republic of Texas organization, when those very men KNOW the law, and are no different than the founders who knew their rightful inalienable rights, and were willing to put it all on the line. Those men are the modern day founders, who fight for Liberty for all, knowing Liberty spreads and helps others gain a backbone to fight.

Why does rockinbbar, and the alphabet agencies, illegally attack those freedom fighters, like all other tyranny dictators of the 20th century?

Traitors and spies come in all colors, and show up in all places, masquerading as ordinary citizens.

The federal agencies and traitorous Texas Rangers raided them, ILLEGALLY (nobody arrested), because they don’t want the truth getting spread, and they didn’t like them COINING their own money with SILVER. Ruby Ridge, Waco, et al.,…it’s no different….it’s tyranny suppressing truth and freedom.

The Texas Rangers should be helping to re-establish a sovereign nation, not helping it stay ILLEGALLY governed and enslaved. The Texas Rangers took an oath to defend THE LAW, yet we see, like all others in government, where they work for the tyrants to protect their precious pensions, at the cost of the citizen’s true freedom…just like in Washington.

Rockinbbar has serious mental issues, because I am not a member of that organization or any militia. He attacks a freedom fighter, with Communist Saul Alinsky tactics, to get you people excited and riled up to troll me, to accomplish his task to suppress free speech….just like in Russia through Pravda, and all other Communist dictatorial nations…..you people need to stop and think about that, and let that FACTOID soak into your head.

Why does rockinbbar, not want me educating the TEXIAN public about the LAW and the TRUTH, and about the people’s inalienable right to live in THEIR sovereign nation, with a government that “will” defend their inalienable rights and defend against foreign invasions?

Why do you people help rockinbbar suppress freedom speech, when true freedom needs a re-birth in the USA, and it would help YOU…every citizen…in every state?

It does not matter what amendments or ordinances where voted on or passed.

The fact is, there is NO "signed" TREATY of ANNEXATION anywhere, in any archives,....case closed.

Sure seems to work just fine for the dhimocrats.

You are a very mentally sick and deranged person, who is using the Communist, Saul Alinsky's book, "Rules for Radicals", to attack me with false negative accusations.

Your attempt to suppress free speech of actual facts, supported by INTERNATIONAL LAW, is the same suppression all Communists have done throughout history.

The fbi link, rockinbbar posted concerning sovereign citizens, is another Communist tactic.

He was hoping you people would confuse “sovereign citizen” with the Republic of Texas group’s effort fighting for their “sovereign nation”. 100% Communist Saul Alinsky tactics.

Sovereign citizens make NO claim to any nation.

The Republic of Texas group DOES CLAIM a nation, their nation, the REPUBLIC of TEXAS, and has the right to fight for their rightful LEGAL sovereignty ILLEGALLY stolen from them.

Again, you are witnessing before your very eyes how tyranny / suppression of truth works, and is used against freedom fighters around the world.

We all know the democRATS lie, so why is rockinbbar lying here? It makes a person sit up and go hmm…ES91 has a point…and he’s backing it up with facts…where rockinbbar has nothing but lies, and suppression of a person’s inalienable right, freedom of speech.

He is suppressing the talk of freedom.

He is suppressing the talk of rule of law.

He is suppressing the talk of a nation’s right to their legal sovereignty.

And for those of you in his posse who will, no doubt, attack me for writing this, you will only be assisting in the suppression of your own LIBERTY and you won't even realize it.

Here you go people. More proof for you.

Throughout history, the Communists have labeled people who speak with the facts and fighting for freedom as "nutjobs".

Why does rockinbbar hate speech concerning rule of law?

Why does rockinbbar hate people fighting for their sovereign nation that was illegally invaded, and taken from them?

Why do all Communists / Tyrants / Dictators hate the people?

Why does rockinbbar hate the people of the REPUBLIC of TEXAS?

Hey, rockinbbar, how’s work, as an internet stalker, pay for 12 hours straight, being you obviously love stalking me?

Does George Soros pay you O.T. after 8 hours, in your attempt to suppress speech concerning freedom?

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LOL.

I don't need to say a word. You are doing just fine on your own.

So, the wishes of the actual residents of Texas ca. 1845 have no say in this? They voting by an overwhelming majority to simply join the Union the way they did?

All of this does bring up the question of whether the founding of the Republic of Texas was legitimate in the first place on account of the Consultation of 1835, an elected Texas government founded by Texas residents was still in place.

As for the Independence Convention at Washington-on-the-Brazos, huge irregularities existed re:,the appointments of the Delegates to that Convention, in particular the large numbers of Americans who had no prior residence in Texas insisting on having a say in the election of delegates to the Convention.

It is entirely possible that a majority of legitimate Texas residents in 1836 did not favor independence from Mexico. Everything they owned, especially land, was under Mexican law. In 1836, since it was believed Texas would eventually comprise three Slave States, there was no chance of Texas being accepted into the Union. What would happen to preexisting land grants under the uncertainties of a new Republic was unknown, especially given the influence accorded to just-arrived foreigners (ie Americans) by that Republic.

I suppose too we could mention the prominent role the Joos played in financing this new Republic.