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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Protestant.
Because Protestants seek to place scripture first. Sole Scripture, Sola Fide, Sole Gratia.



The atheists on here have no clue what that means. It's a waste of time trying to explain it.

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Originally Posted by IZH27
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Do you adhere to Wesley’s doctrine of Christian perfection?

Int the context of Ephesians 3, Paul's prayer... yes.
But not the straw man


Well. I’m confused by your answer. Paul’s prayer has little or nothing to do with Wesley’s doctrine and you have not identified a Straw Man concerning his view. Will you elaborate?


I have not the reference handy, but it is in his published works. When asked for scripture to show their doctrine Wesley took his stand on Eph 3, to know the love of Christ that passes knowledge and be filled with all the fullness of God... nothing more nor less than this.

The straw man is known as...
Instantaneous sinless perfection
This I reject


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I love to read these threads, People arguing over whose made up story makes the most sense is just funny.

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Originally Posted by rimfire
I love to read these threads, People arguing over whose made up story makes the most sense is just funny.

You really don't know any thing about American history do you?
Coming from pa?
That takes the cake.


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.. as I u understand it in almost every case the Catholics were the violent aggressors in Europe,
especially in the Netherlands... the Spanish Fury...


The British 1689 BIll of Rights (apon which the Founding Fathers used to model the US Bill of Rights)
enshrined the lawful right to Protestants to have arms for self defence, but it excluded the Catholics .. grin


Q./ As a Christian with Faith and the Holy Spirit,
are you able to adhere to the commandments that Jesus issued?

#1 Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind

#2 love thy neighbour as thyself....( including your enemies)


This is why I like Wesley so much, that was his big focus, that by Grace enabling the church would live and breathe Lving God supremely and then your neighbor.
The Salvation Army was a good example back in the late 1800s


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Originally Posted by mtnsnake
Atheism is not a religion. It is living life without God.


That article documents a rise in general sadness, misery and suicide with a decline in faith in our society.


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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Originally Posted by rimfire
I love to read these threads, People arguing over whose made up story makes the most sense is just funny.

You really don't know any thing about American history do you?
Coming from pa?
That takes the cake.


You might be surprised what he knows and what you don't. wink

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Graciously I would assert...
There is a huge commonality among Protestant denominational statements of faith.
And Catholics killed Zwingli, not Luther.


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Originally Posted by Robert_White


I have not the reference handy, but it is in his published works. When asked for scripture to show their doctrine Wesley took his stand on Eph 3, to know the love of Christ that passes knowledge and be filled with all the fullness of God... nothing more nor less than this.

The straw man is known as...
Instantaneous sinless perfection
This I reject


If you recall the comment by Wesley I’d like to read it. I’m not asking you to find it, if you happen to recall.

Do you accept his view of achieving perfection throughout life?
Do you come at this from a Methodist or Wesleyan Holiness perspective?

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Originally Posted by K22
Originally Posted by Robert_White
Originally Posted by rimfire
I love to read these threads, People arguing over whose made up story makes the most sense is just funny.

You really don't know any thing about American history do you?
Coming from pa?
That takes the cake.


You might be surprised what he knows and what you don't. wink


Mocking Christians while living in Penn?
Ignorant


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So, how have these “pagans” prevented you from exercising your religious freedoms?

Honest question.


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They make movies about Thor.

When's the last time you saw a good flick about God?


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R.W. don't get upset, I don't care what story a person want's to believe. I have a right to find it funny just like you have a right to believe a made up story. What does being from Pa. have to do with it ?

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Originally Posted by deflave
They make movies about Thor.

When's the last time you saw a good flick about God?


Boy that John Denver guy sure could act.

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Originally Posted by IZH27
Originally Posted by Robert_White


I have not the reference handy, but it is in his published works. When asked for scripture to show their doctrine Wesley took his stand on Eph 3, to know the love of Christ that passes knowledge and be filled with all the fullness of God... nothing more nor less than this.

The straw man is known as...
Instantaneous sinless perfection
This I reject


If you recall the comment by Wesley I’d like to read it. I’m not asking you to find it, if you happen to recall.

Do you accept his view of achieving perfection throughout life?
Do you come at this from a Methodist or Wesleyan Holiness perspective?

I believe that God will answer the prayer he inspired, so yes...
I am not Methodist in the modern sense because they are mostly apostate.
I actually lean more to A B Simpson on Holiness distinctives


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Funny but I studied theology, and in that study I heard some pretty enlightening ideas.we looked at themes in the Bible.
One theme said the old testiment revolves around a church to guide people to god.
Things would work for a while, but then corruption would grow. Profit would point out corruption, no one would listen and collapse entailed.
After a while people would rally and refocus on god. But dependence on organized churchp would fall into corruption.

Now the New Testament. Jesus rejects organized religion and preaches individual responsibility. The church did not like that so he was crucified. But the message and spirit live without the organized church. So no corruption.

Fun stuff.

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Originally Posted by rimfire
R.W. don't get upset, I don't care what story a person want's to believe. I have a right to find it funny just like you have a right to believe a made up story. What does being from Pa. have to do with it ?

Not upset...

The whole history of Penn is wrapped up in the struggle for persecuted Christians to find some peace and justice in this fallen world. It's in the air you breath. In a sense you are mocking the founder of PA and all the Quakers, Amish, Mennonites, and Scotch Irish Presbyterians who settled it...

I would push back against your disdain.........
Graciously
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Originally Posted by Robert_White
Graciously I would assert...
There is a huge commonality among Protestant denominational statements of faith.
And Catholics killed Zwingli, not Luther.




I know that, but my point was that they started feuding amongst themselves.


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Originally Posted by deflave
They make movies about Thor.

When's the last time you saw a good flick about God?

Originally Posted by deflave
They make movies about Thor.

When's the last time you saw a good flick about God?



Charleston Heston did some good flicks.

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I would think, no, venture that mocking Danites, Asher, and Naphtali would be an ignorant move. Especially not knowing what transpired back in those times and now in our time. How many questions deep can you go into the Odin believers history? I hope you realize that there are many names for "God" of which God is not one of them since God is not a name.
Martin Luther did nothing to help Christian believers, but instead enslaved them more into the same book the catholic religion was teaching from. I'm quite sure Lucifer was well pleased with that move.

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