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I was reading an article and ran across these figures. The numbers in the middle column on the .22LR and 380 surprised me. I don't know who this guy is or anything about him. Let’s take a look at some more numbers from Greg Ellifritz’s Stopping Power study based on statistics from 1800 shootings. He found that about 60% of the time someone was shot with a .22, they were incapacitated after a single hit to the head or torso. That’s on par with the numbers from some much bigger and more powerful calibers. But about one third of the time, someone hit with a 22 was not immediately incapacitated no matter how many times they were shot. That’s roughly twice as many failures as calibers of .380 and up. ![[Linked Image]](https://loungecdn.luckygunner.com/lounge/media/stopping-power-stats.jpg)
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People are either incapacitated with one shot or not, the percentage totals of columns 2+3 should equal 100.
Works that way most days unless one is promoting some 8-ball agenda.
I am..........disturbed.
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Me either, most of the people that carry 22’s are midgets in carnivals and the people they shot were other midgets. Comparatively the 22 in a midget is the same as a 44 in a normal sized person...
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I'm thinking that people's ability to shoot accurately with a low powered gun has more to do with this than the stopping power of the round, especially with the 22.
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These are the three best books ever written on Handguns and Stoppjng Power. The first book is a book that you would want to own. https://www.amazon.com/Handgun-Stopping-Power-Definitive-Study/dp/0873646533
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You catch fish with what you are using for bait... You carry or have a .22lr at hand, that's what you'll shoot someone with. You carry a 45ACP, that's what you'll shoot someone with. That chart could be read that the .22lr is a far more common firearm. 
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Guy got popped in the head last week.
Think bullet angle had it slide along bone, not go in.
Not incapacitated. He hopped up and was b*tching.
Shooter added a few to kill him. Cops caught the bad guy.
Just giving location of hit doesn't say a lot about the hit IMHO.
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People are either incapacitated with one shot or not, the percentage totals of columns 2+3 should equal 100.
Works that way most days unless one is promoting some 8-ball agenda. Yep
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I'm thinking that people's ability to shoot accurately with a low powered gun has more to do with this than the stopping power of the round, especially with the 22. Hense the .38 special.....fully agree....
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Me either, most of the people that carry 22’s are midgets in carnivals and the people they shot were other midgets. Comparatively the 22 in a midget is the same as a 44 in a normal sized person... I think the appropriate term is munchkin or elf. Not midget.
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People are either incapacitated with one shot or not, the percentage totals of columns 2+3 should equal 100.
Works that way most days unless one is promoting some 8-ball agenda. The chart specifies "head or torso" shot for the middle column, but does not specify shot location in the third column. Third column figures are not as informative as middle column figures.
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Agree. Evan Marshall's work is the zenith in handgun one-shot stopping statistics.
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I'm thinking that because a 22 is accurate and easy to shoot, that makes the % of shootees that are incapacitated quite high. However, if you can't shoot, no amount of lead in the extremities will stop a bad guy.
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I’m thinking the circumstances of the shootings ain’t mentioned. Lots and lots of .22s out there, how many of these shootings were accidental in a non-adversarial circumstance?
Also, how many involved rifles, the ballistics of a .22LR out of a 2” barrel are pretty dismal.
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I’m thinking the circumstances of the shootings ain’t mentioned. Lots and lots of .22s out there, how many of these shootings were accidental in a non-adversarial circumstance?
Also, how many involved rifles, the ballistics of a .22LR out of a 2” barrel are pretty dismal. Buy Marshall's book and your questions will be answered.
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I’m thinking the circumstances of the shootings ain’t mentioned. Lots and lots of .22s out there, how many of these shootings were accidental in a non-adversarial circumstance?
Also, how many involved rifles, the ballistics of a .22LR out of a 2” barrel are pretty dismal. The article I was reading was about concealed guns. That said, if a bad guy is on the wrong end of my bolt action Marlin 22 rifle, most likely he's not going very far.
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People are either incapacitated with one shot or not, the percentage totals of columns 2+3 should equal 100.
Works that way most days unless one is promoting some 8-ball agenda. You didn't read the source material. This table is a very short summary of a rather short article. It is covered adequately in the article. Zero 8ball agenda.
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I'm thinking that people's ability to shoot accurately with a low powered gun has more to do with this than the stopping power of the round, especially with the 22. You didnt read the source material either. In fact, his data indicates that people shot more accurately with a 44 magnum than with any other firearm, including long guns. While I (to) find this incredible to believe, it is the data from 1800 shootings using the methodology he describes.
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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