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.460 Wby and a wabbit.
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Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.
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He has other pictures showing messed up wabbits. DF
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For those of you that use this cartridge (or another one of the .458 dia. rounds) what bullet do you use when hunting DG? How does the Barnes TSX perform in this round? For dangerous game I would use the 450gn TSX. If the ranges were extended because of gully's or open area's I'd start the debate with a 350gn TSX and follow up with 450's as I walk up to the taxidermy project before me. The 400gn was the best of the best in Barnes X bullets but obviously more people made decisions from 2nd hand information otherwise the 400 grainer would still be on the shelves. John
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No,there is a bigger hole on the other side.
Last edited by elkhunternm; 05/08/19.
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He has other pictures showing messed up wabbits. DF 400 grain Speer at 2500 fps.
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You hit that last one a little far back.....................
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Gerry35 just a hare back. 400 grain Speer at 2500 fps. Where the bullet connected.
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"The 400gn was the best of the best in Barnes X bullets"
That would be so perfect. Really too bad. Now for me, it's between the 400 A-Frame and 450 TSX.
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You hit that last one a little far back..................... His PH was on his left shoulder with a big gun......……......just in case a quick follow-up was needed to subdue a charge.
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Wollen nicht krank dein feind. Planen es.
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Gerry35 just a hare back. 400 grain Speer at 2500 fps. Where the bullet connected. Terrible pun.......outstanding lol.
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Thanks.
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A couple of comments.
Do not take more than two rifles. You'll just get confused at the wrong moment.
Do not take more than one weight of bullet in a .458. My Model 70 shot 6" different in elevation at 100 yards with 350 and 450 TSXs, which I think was due to recoil while the bullet was in the barrel. The 350 grain TSXs were going 2700 fps and the 450s were going 2200 fps. The only way to get the same POI was to slow them down to the same velocity as the 450s, and there's no point in that.
The 450 grain TSX works fine with buffalo. You should probably also take some 450 grain solids for the second or third shot. Ask your PH.
Don't worry about getting "a little" extra velocity or slightly smaller groups. Instead, practice shooting off sticks.
I experimented with 350 grain TSXs and don't think it matters what crimping groove you use. Just make sure they fit in the magazine. 2200 fps with a 450 grain bullet works just fine. Don't overthink things.
I took a Cape buffalo and a bull elephant with a .458 on my first trip to Zimbabwe. The second trip I took a Cape buffalo and elephant with a .375. I don't think it made any difference.
Don't worry about compressing powder. That's an old wives' tale. For years I shot the 1000 yard matches at Camp Perry with compressed loads. It gets hotter at Camp Perry in August than it does during most of the hunting months in southern Africa.
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Gerry35 just a hare back. 400 grain Speer at 2500 fps. Where the bullet connected. Terrible pun.......outstanding lol. Ken, That bullet often blew up in a puff of blue smoke before reaching the 100 yard targets for me so although I used it a lot in the .45/70, stopped short of using it in the .460 after gutting several animals with it, if it reached them that is. John
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I consider the 400 grain Speer a varmint bullet in the .460. It was only going 2500 fps at the muzzle and that rabbit was @75 yards away. I would not use them for anything bigger than rabbits or coyotes and not any faster than 2500 fps.
I'm going to try the 350 grain Speer in my .460 in the not too distant future to see what they do at 2600+ fps.
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