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Specifically 124 and 147s
Seen some recent exorbitant price hikes in some flavors.......
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Federal HST in either weight. I wouldn't hesitate to use Speer Gold Dot either.
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I like a Gold Dot 124 gr or Golden Saber 124gr-preferrably in the +P variety. Haven't tried a Federal HST, but wouldn't hesitate to use them if that's what was available.
Guns I run them in are as follows:
Glock 19
CZ P-07 and P-09
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Speer GDHP 124 +P, or WInchester Ranger Talon (RA9124TP). I've got some RA9TA 147 gr but don't carry it much. Both 124 gr loads perform well in full size 9mm's, but the RA9124TP is more accurate in the smaller pistols at my house (Kahr PM9, S&W Shield, G26).
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Federal HST in either weight. I wouldn't hesitate to use Speer Gold Dot either. Yep. Those are the only two I carry, too. Whichever is available when I'm in the market for carry ammo, in either 124 or 147, plus P or standard. Doesn't much matter. Wouldn't have a problem with Winchester Ranger in either weight, plus p or not, either.
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Federal HST staggered with ball of the same weight.
Backup mags are all ball
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Speer 124 grain standard pressure Gold Dots.
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Federal HST staggered with ball of the same weight.
Backup mags are all ball What is your reasoning for this?
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Federal HST staggered with ball of the same weight.
Backup mags are all ball What is your reasoning for this? I'm thinking that the ball is for maximum penetration. In the old days, before bonded JHP was perfected, this was a fairly common practice.
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for years i had winchester ranger +p+ 127 grain SXT RA9TA, at the time recommended to me by a FBI guy.
I tried to find some more of it recently, couldn't, until you had a law enforcement connection. Then i saw some ammo testing where the stuff was NOT opening up. SO... I bought hornady's critical duty +p 135 grain flexlock,
what is interesting to me, the army's new rounds the m1181 and m1182 , or it might be m1182 and m1183 are interesting to me.
per an article, the 1181 is a 115 gr thc flat nose bullet that velocity and appearance wise looks a lot like winchester white box.
I ran into issues with gold dots not opening years ago, and somewhat always distrusted 9mm. EXcept, they will penetrate. and i got to thinking, that maybe penetration is more important and a 9mm is perfectly capable of shooting through someone.
I bought a case of that winchester 115 grain thc stuff at about 9bucks a box, marked service grade whatever that means. Looks just like the military stuff.
the 147grain jhp m1182 or m1183 without looking, looks like the politically correct ranger 147 grain which is the old black talon, without the bad color.
i watched a youtube video or so the other day on the m17-p320. guy fired 1000rounds in about 13 minutes. And i watched another guy dump a 21round mag rapid fire. like watching a machine gun go off.
i think one sometimes can overcomplicate an issue.
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highly recomment going to www.ammotogo.comthey tested over 30 different types of ammuntion giving velocity, barrier penetration, and the size of the opened bullets, and penetration. you might be surprised how some of that 25dollar for 20 rounds stuff actually didn't perform.
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Speer GDHP 124 +P. Unless I’m at the Ranch, then I have a spare mag of the Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman Load with the cast bullets. Might need to shoot a pig or two. 🤠
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MOGC,
Hp may not penetrate well in some cases , penetration matters
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![[Linked Image]](https://i.imgur.com/jW2i4JKl.jpg) Either one
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Straight FMJ...for decades.
Fighting Pistoles don't generate enough velocity,to deviate the constant. Placement dictates the outcome,not the receipt from Gucci.
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for years i had winchester ranger +p+ 127 grain SXT RA9TA, at the time recommended to me by a FBI guy.
I tried to find some more of it recently, couldn't, until you had a law enforcement connection. Then i saw some ammo testing where the stuff was NOT opening up. SO... I bought hornady's critical duty +p 135 grain flexlock,
what is interesting to me, the army's new rounds the m1181 and m1182 , or it might be m1182 and m1183 are interesting to me.
per an article, the 1181 is a 115 gr thc flat nose bullet that velocity and appearance wise looks a lot like winchester white box.
I ran into issues with gold dots not opening years ago, and somewhat always distrusted 9mm. EXcept, they will penetrate. and i got to thinking, that maybe penetration is more important and a 9mm is perfectly capable of shooting through someone.
I bought a case of that winchester 115 grain thc stuff at about 9bucks a box, marked service grade whatever that means. Looks just like the military stuff.
the 147grain jhp m1182 or m1183 without looking, looks like the politically correct ranger 147 grain which is the old black talon, without the bad color.
i watched a youtube video or so the other day on the m17-p320. guy fired 1000rounds in about 13 minutes. And i watched another guy dump a 21round mag rapid fire. like watching a machine gun go off.
i think one sometimes can overcomplicate an issue. The military flat point Fiji is loaded to 39,700 psi per the article I read
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Some folks don't gotta "read".
Hint..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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When I pocket Wifes P365 it's stuffed with 125gr Barnes' at 1050 fps with Longshot, when she carries, it's loaded with the 115gr XTP's at the same speed.
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for years i had winchester ranger +p+ 127 grain SXT RA9TA, at the time recommended to me by a FBI guy.
I tried to find some more of it recently, couldn't, until you had a law enforcement connection. Then i saw some ammo testing where the stuff was NOT opening up. SO... I bought hornady's critical duty +p 135 grain flexlock,
what is interesting to me, the army's new rounds the m1181 and m1182 , or it might be m1182 and m1183 are interesting to me.
per an article, the 1181 is a 115 gr thc flat nose bullet that velocity and appearance wise looks a lot like winchester white box.
I ran into issues with gold dots not opening years ago, and somewhat always distrusted 9mm. EXcept, they will penetrate. and i got to thinking, that maybe penetration is more important and a 9mm is perfectly capable of shooting through someone.
I bought a case of that winchester 115 grain thc stuff at about 9bucks a box, marked service grade whatever that means. Looks just like the military stuff.
the 147grain jhp m1182 or m1183 without looking, looks like the politically correct ranger 147 grain which is the old black talon, without the bad color.
i watched a youtube video or so the other day on the m17-p320. guy fired 1000rounds in about 13 minutes. And i watched another guy dump a 21round mag rapid fire. like watching a machine gun go off.
i think one sometimes can overcomplicate an issue. Ron, have you ever carried those around in a mag in your pocket for a while? Guess what color they are under that pretty copper color, as well as the SXTs? Name ends in Talon. Lol. 
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