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#13805770 - 05/09/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: jorgeI]  
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Jorge,

You were the farthest from my mind when I mentioned 'internet expert'. You sir, have far too much field/practical experience to even come close to that description. If you will please reread my post, I mentioned you specifically and OUR count of the Merkel rifles known to double.

As far as the 'shoot the right barrel and wait', even from Helmut/Whoever, that is nonsense. As pointed out above, can, is the operative word, not the definitive word. That may be the way they are regulated, but that does not mean that is the only way they can be fired.

I've shot mine in too many competitions to think that it has to be shot in a certain manner, and in fact, the left barrel shoots better for the first round than the right. That being said, I shoot the left barrel as often or more than the right, and it still does not double.

I said it above and I'll say it again. Most of the doubles from my rifle have been from shooter error. At least 30 people have shot my rifle, if not more, and I'm pretty certain I can tell shooter error from rifle issues.


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#13806232 - 05/09/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: bigwhoop]  
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Paladin, no worries, sir. I did not take offense, if for no other reason the internet is full of them. I agree with you a LOT of doubling occurs as a function of trigger strumming, but even Merkel has finally recognized the issue and stepped up to correct.t


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#13810317 - 05/10/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: jorgeI]  
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Well, as I said it was the Merkel rep in Alabama explaining the doubling issue. I presume there is room for both "operator error" and "design flaw" in this debate. He also said because the forward trigger controls the right barrel, this is where the operator could error during recoil. Plus this would not be "
doubling" it would be a "double tap". As for the 10-15 second time frame, Jorge, he said you had to fire the left barrel WITHIN 10-15 seconds before the issue of heat alerting the poi of the left barrel. He did NOT say you had to wait 10-15 seconds - obviously that makes no sense.


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#13815273 - 05/12/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: bigwhoop]  
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Definite design fault. The problem is doubling when the rear trigger is pulled first - there's no way doubling can be caused by the finger slipping onto the other tigger.

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#13821100 - 05/14/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: jorgeI]  
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Originally Posted by bigwhoop
I... ..The second barrel must be fired in 10-15 seconds because the heat from the right barrel with change the poi for the left barrel
if you wait too long
..


Correct, shots are best made within a certain window of time when regulating SxS rifles.


Originally Posted by gunner500


What's being missed here is Helmut/Herbert said [WAITING] longer than 10-15 secs 'can' cause accuracy issues from one barrel heating the other,
firing rapid shots would further distance that from happening,...


What was posted by whoop was straight forward for most, but we must acknowledge the CF has some special needs types
that still require assistance in understanding such.


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#13822782 - 05/15/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: Starman]  
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Originally Posted by Starman
[quote=bigwhoop]I...[b] ..

Correct, shots are best made within a certain window of time when regulating SxS rifles.


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No. Timing sequence in a properly regulated double has nothing to do with time OR barrel selection.


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#13823264 - 05/15/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: jorgeI]  
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Well, agreement here is a wonderful thing, although fleeting.


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#13823342 - 05/15/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: bigwhoop]  
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Originally Posted by bigwhoop
Well, agreement here is a wonderful thing, although fleeting.


I have to say between my custom built 500 Nitro on a Merkel action, a big Verney/Carron 577 all the way down to a little RB Rodda 303 Brit double, I haven't noticed ANY issues with bullet placement firing a shot at game, or shooting around the farm walking around with sticks shooting rocks, dirt clods and stumps, sometimes several minutes between shots, for an hour or two at a time.


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#13824955 - 05/16/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: gunner500]  
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Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
Well, agreement here is a wonderful thing, although fleeting.


I have to say between my custom built 500 Nitro on a Merkel action, a big Verney/Carron 577 all the way down to a little RB Rodda 303 Brit double, I haven't noticed ANY issues with bullet placement firing a shot at game, or shooting around the farm walking around with sticks shooting rocks, dirt clods and stumps, sometimes several minutes between shots, for an hour or two at a time.

Yo guns wouldn’t dare misbehave.

They’d be afraid.

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#13825966 - 05/16/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: Dirtfarmer]  
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Damn right DF, i'll lock them up in a 5500lb safe and they'll not see the light of day for months! laugh


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#13825974 - 05/16/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: gunner500]  
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#13825985 - 05/16/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: elkhunternm]  
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It's a done deal Elk! cool


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#13825995 - 05/16/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: bigwhoop]  
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#13826114 - 05/16/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: elkhunternm]  
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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
If your guns misbehave,send them to me,I'll straighten them out. wink

On some helpless jackwabbits, no doubt...

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#13826125 - 05/16/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: Dirtfarmer]  
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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by elkhunternm
If your guns misbehave,send them to me,I'll straighten them out. wink

On some helpless jackwabbits, no doubt...

DF


I just sent Elk a cell pic of a handful of 500 Nitro bull Elephant solids, just a little get well soon, and get over there and shoot one motivation! grin


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#13826143 - 05/16/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: gunner500]  
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Originally Posted by gunner500
Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
Originally Posted by elkhunternm
If your guns misbehave,send them to me,I'll straighten them out. wink

On some helpless jackwabbits, no doubt...

DF


I just sent Elk a cell pic of a handful of 500 Nitro bull Elephant solids, just a little get well soon, and get over there and shoot one motivation! grin

Don't think he'll need that much motivation. I think he's on the mend, big guns and wabbits waiting...

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YUP! smile


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#14009642 - 07/28/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: bigwhoop]  
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Merkels are great guns and of there higher grade guns they had solid attention to detail. This is a stout action and should sound very solid upon opening and closing, that means no ringing pinging or dinging when the top lever closes. The barrels should come down with slight friction not just fall to the drop. The top lever doesn't need to be "slightly to the right" for a "tight gun" I've seen guns the folks beat a burr up with a hammer on your locking surfaces to falsely get tight guns, top levers should stop softly not slap shut tight.

Hope this helps some you

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#14012523 - 07/30/19 Re: Merkel Safari 375 H&H double gun - your thoughts? [Re: bigwhoop]  
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FYI, detailed review of a Merkel .500 N.E. in the current edition of Rifle magazine.

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