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Form, you have a reason the lenses were coming out? They using chewing gun for an adhesive?
Seriously asking 😎 ![[Linked Image]](http://i.imgur.com/caFzA7N.jpg) Whatever they’re doing (screws or bonding agaent) to hold it together ain’t working.
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Form, you have a reason the lenses were coming out? They using chewing gun for an adhesive?
Seriously asking 😎 Whatever they’re doing (screws or bonding agaent) to hold it together ain’t working. Copy...I’m pulling it. NF going up top. 😎
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Copy...I’m pulling it. NF going up top. 😎
Wasn’t my intent. If you have it, might as well see how it does. I just wouldn’t use it for anything where I would be upset if/when it fails.
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How bout sig lrf formid? Ever run em?
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How bout sig lrf formid? Ever run em? They go down eventually. Seems to be about 70/30 getting one that works out of the box, but most I’ve used have had problems eventually.
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Copy that, what do you run?
Ping pong balls for the win.
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All of them. Sig 2400AB, Leica, Zeiss, Meopta, Swaro, Nikon, etc.
I greatly prefer bino LRF’s, and while not the top in glass (though pretty darn good) the Nikon Laserforce has been the most solid so far.
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So have you fingered the Sig 3000 BDX???
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So have you fingered the Sig 3000 BDX??? I have, but not enough to comment.
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I've always been a fan of Leupold, their warranty is definitely outstanding. As others have mentioned though, the warranty seems to be used a LOT more these days. I just purchased a new VX-3i 4.5-14x40 CDS, it was pooched out of the box, zero drifts and won't group better than 2 or 3 MOA on a rifle that's proven to shoot 1/2-3/4 MOA with the original Vortex scope and did so again once I remounted that same vortex after taking off the Leupold. Last year I had a pair of binos the eye cup seized up on so wouldn't adjust anymore, sent me a new pair. A slightly older Leupold VX2 scope I had previously bit the dust when mounted on a 7mm RM rem 700, crosshairs started spinning around inside after a few boxes of ammo. A local gunsmith claims that in his career he's had a total of 20 scopes come in that were dead in one way or another, 18 were Leupold, 1 Vortex, 1 Burris.
Bushnell on the other hand, don't get me started. EVERY SINGLE Bushnell product I've ever owned has failed. From scopes, spotting scopes, binos, even trail cams... ALL DIED! Their warranty up here is atrocious too, like 6 months minimum on average... No thanks... Will NEVER touch another Bushnell product.
May have to start looking at other brands more. You must not have used any high-end Bushnell products. Their warranty service theses days is absolutely stellar, too. My rifle scopes were all their top of the line models at that times. Trail cam was supposed to be their top of the line model, it sure wasn't cheap. I admit the spotting scopes probably weren't part of their quality lines. The trail cam didn't last 6 months. Sent it in for warranty last September, just got it back in March or April. It's been a few years since I've bought any of their optics so maybe their warranty for those has gotten better but didn't matter what I sent in before, it was minimum 6 months and they don't tell you anything. They send a post card with the warranty claim # sometime after they receive the item and then you don't hear from them until it just shows up at your door half a year+ later.
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Copy...I’m pulling it. NF going up top. 😎
Wasn’t my intent. If you have it, might as well see how it does. I just wouldn’t use it for anything where I would be upset if/when it fails. I’m not paranoid at all...Grin I was saving the NF for a different rig. But it’s all good. Of course I would be upset if the Sig failed on my hunt. Especially now, after your report of colossal failures - glass falling out, and bad tracking. Schit Form, can it get any worse? You’ve posted some informative failures before, I just don’t remember any being as bad as this report. The rifle was intended for longer hikes into elk country...It was a light package before you woke up this morning. Now, with this NF it’s probably 9.5lbs. Still light by my normal elk rig. ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/t4qQ62zz/C4-D7-E113-4990-4-ACA-B9-AE-26-FD9060284-D.jpg) Here’s the other side... ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/3xxrhKz7/50415-E7-A-C4-FF-4607-8217-90-F159-B411-BB.jpg) Done....Time to break in the barrel. 😎
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Formidilosus,
Do they every use/test the SWFA SS HD 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope?
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Form's got the Scope Mounting to Maintain Zero sticky..... Need one with a running list of failures and successes.
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Formidilosus,
Do they every use/test the SWFA SS HD 5-20x50 Tactical 30mm Riflescope? Excellent scopes.
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Just straight shooting. No abuse at all.
No one wanted them to be good more than I, but like the others- they suck.
On the bright side, went past 70,000 rounds on a Nightforce during the same period. A couple others broke 30k. There's a lot of us that would like Leupold to be good/great scopes. They are light, asethetically pleasing and the glass isn't half bad in some of their offerings. However, when they don't even track right out of the box, then go totally tits up after a few to a few hundred rounds downrange, I've pretty much thrown the towel in on them.... Just because they are made 90 miles from my house doesn't mean I'm going to support them. If they started building rugged scopes that track like the SWFA SS's at that price point, I'd be on board with them. Until that happens, I'll buy better scopes...and by "better", I don't mean more expensive...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Form, you have a reason the lenses were coming out? They using chewing gun for an adhesive?
Seriously asking 😎 Whatever they’re doing (screws or bonding agaent) to hold it together ain’t working. I’ve seen enough leupolds new out of the box that will not adjust properly to last me forever, I do not want to ever see another one.
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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The funny thing is, every picture I've seen in every article I've ever read about African professional hunters shows Leupold scopes on their rifles . Never seen a one with a NightForce, SWFA or any other tactical scope on board. Same for articles showing pics of rifles used by Alaskan bear guides.
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The funny thing is, every picture I've seen in every article I've ever read about African professional hunters shows Leupold scopes on their rifles . Never seen a one with a NightForce, SWFA or any other tactical scope on board. Same for articles showing pics of rifles used by Alaskan bear guides. yes i do like Leupold scopes but i also like Nightforce scopes >> look under General Big Game forum / Awesome Alaska grizzly hunt 10 ft Alaskan bear shot with a big Nightforce scope ! its on the 1st page of this forum
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I hunt with leupold all over, I love em.... never had a failure. Sounds like a lotta folks do. Guess I’m just lucky
Ping pong balls for the win.
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The funny thing is, every picture I've seen in every article I've ever read about African professional hunters shows Leupold scopes on their rifles . Never seen a one with a NightForce, SWFA or any other tactical scope on board. Same for articles showing pics of rifles used by Alaskan bear guides. Yep, I've never hunted with an African PH either but I did have a subscription to "Outdoor Life" back in the day. I learned a lot from looking at the pictures of PH's. Most of 'em were wearing shorts and carrying their rifles on their shoulders, holding 'em by the barrel, and following a skinny black guy around. I tired that but it just didn't work for me. The only Alaskan guide I hunted with in bear country carried a pistol, no scope. But in the pictures I've seen they all wore Sitka Gear, so I did get some of that.
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