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you must be lying...…...the only scope I have had that failed was a Steiner it was on a 7 mag.....all my Leopold's have been fine....but I also use straight 6.....I don't twist knobs and all of that.....sight them in and leave them...….bob

I'm the same way with muzzleloader bullets, I've always used powerbelts. Other guys say they're too soft and will "blow up" but it's never happened to me so I just keep using 'em with good results, mostly on elk.

If/when it happens to me, it'll be real and I'll stop using them but until then I guess I'm just lucky too.

Dumbest post award goes to this one for sure. Congratulations ?

Just a commentary on your "real world" experience blackie. One thing I have done is write an article for "Outdoor Life," so I believe I've got you there as far as "real world experience" with what goes into magazine articles.

They didn't even ask me for any photos, just pulled some from their library and ran 'em. Showed an elk hunter in the mountains, all decked out with gear that had one thing in common---the auther (me) didn't use any of it.



Funny thing is, on this very thread you've got an Alaskan bear guide and a guy who's spent a ton of time hunting with PHs in Africa and knows them pretty well but you're not listening to either one of them.

Yeah, I guess we're just supposed to chuck our old faithful scopes because they're bound to puke any minute according to the "experts" here. I've got a 4x Bushnell Banner that I bought back in 1989 I believe. It's been on I don't know how many rifles over the years and still works fine. Had another fixed Banner from 1983 that finally broke one day a couple yesrs ago. It only lasted 34 years, what a POS. Sure didn't get my moneys worth outta that one. Luckily my old Weaver K-3 is still chugging along and hasn't let me down yet. It's seen pretty light duty though, mostly on slug guns and .30-30's for no more than a few thousand rounds. I used to converse often on another forum with a guy from England who was a professional game manager by trade. He had a bunch of estates over there where he was responsible for keeping the deer herds culled and in balance with the habitat. He needed to kill roughly 600 sitka, roe, pere david and muntjac every year in order to fullfill his contracts. He had been using a pair of Tikka M695 rifles wearing Swarovski scopes for 10 years and roughly 6000 assorted deer the last I talked with him and had no complaints about their performance. Course as far as I know he never came here so probably didn't know his scopes were junk and doomed to failure either. Besides, these guys here shoot alot more game and have alot more riding on it so need more dependable equipment for sure.

Oh sorry, I didn't know it was all lies in the magazines. When I saw pictures of rifles in magazines with captions that said they belonged to such as Finn Aagard and were used in the bush for years I thought it was the truth. Oh and you once wrote an article for outdoor life so that makes you an expert too. Didn't realize that either. Maybe because I've only worked in the gun biz for 10 years, 4 doing general gunsmithing and 6 building 1911's but I've found out here that I don't know shyt about guns so naturally I thought you had to have at least 30, 40 years under your belt to be one of the high and mighty.

I never said it's all lies, now did I blackie? My point is, getting your information from photos in outdoor magazines is not the same as real world experience. Do you want to address my point, or keep trying to argue your own straw men?

Pick and choose what you quote there scooter. You're still far from an authority and that ain't likely to change at your advanced age.

LOL, I never said I was an authority blackie, but I do know what I don't know, unlike you.

And seriously, "advanced age??" I guess if you've got nothing else, go with what you think is a personal insult. I don't take it that way. My age is what it is, just like yours. I'll be backpack hunting this fall for animals that are four times as big as your eastern whitetails, in the Rocky Mountains up around timberline. If you think you can keep up, come on out.

I would have loved to hunt out there but time and money was always short. That's what happens when you have 6 kids to raise, go through divorce, lose two homes and try to make a living in a rural area. On the other hand with over 200 deer, untold thousands of varmints, turkeys, small game, upland birds and waterfowl to my credit over the past 45 years, I'm not really wet behind the ears either.

Like I’ve said many times, I love Leupold scopes, I think they got a lot of things right. I just for the life of me can’t understand why they cannot make an erector that works as intended all the time. Instead they just increase the price in their lines as if I’m gonna buy a $1000 Vx5 or 6 with whatever flavor CDS when it has the same chit erector that’s in their $300 scopes. It’s almost retarded what they’ve been doing, and this is just one thread of many here where this issue has been discussed. The same old guys pop in with mine are just fine and then there are many like me that have been jerked six ways from Sunday on a crap Leupold that have had enough.

I never said you were blackie. The thing is, you can be really experienced and successful and still not know everything there is to know about things like the internal mechanics and failure rates of scopes.

Somebody here needs to disect a few scopes and figure out exactly where the problem lies. Is it a design issue or materials or faulty assembly that's at he root of the problem ? Until that happens, you're all just guessing and pissing in the wind. I don't have the bux to be tearing apart my scopes so It'l have to be left to one of you world travellers with deep pockets. As I said before, it's likely many if not most of the scopes from the majority of the manufacturers are using basically the same design. From there it comes down to materials and workmanship. Perhaps a change in the basic design is needed across the board. Simmons tried that with it's "flex erector" system a few years ago but it hasn't received wide acclaim so maybe more work is needed.

No, they don't use the same design and it'snot difficult to figure that out. And you want to say everyone else is guessing, how ironic.

How do you figure that when nothing from Leupold, Redfield, Tasco, Nikon, Vortex, Athlon and several others are known for tracking or holding zero dependably and only Nighforce, SWFA and a coulpe others do ?

19 pages and still going strong. Unbelievable!

Blackie do you have any idea how a Unrtil scope adjusts?

Nope never used one. I have used Weaver, Leupold, Bushnell, Redfield, Bausch & Lomb, Tasco, Simmons, Nikon and probably a few I'm forgetting and I think they likely all use basically the same design.

Yeah but 17 pages of it is post from Blackheart. Who as far as I can tell brings nothing to the discussion other than he just wants to argue with everyone!

Wel they do not use internal adjustments.