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^^^^^^^ Thanks for the thoughtful response. I agree, to each their own. I was just wondering if I was missing some key point. I often OC when on private land. Not sure how I would roll in a rural but public environment. What's really interesting is how to roll in a public hunting environment. There, a guy walking up to me with a long gun might not raise much suspicion. But should he suddenly point it at me and disarm me, I'd really like my handgun to be concealed. Agree. OC puts one at a disadvantage to a better armed assailant. CC has the element of surprise, the only advantage one has in such a situation. OC in the great outdoors, CC in urban settings. IMO. DF
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Mr. Harry, good discussion. Thanks.
FreeMe, interesting points. But you assume a lot, incorrectly, and you are condescending as hell. Not to say I think that is news to you or that your care. Or perhaps you think you are witty. Maybe you are . . . to someone. Yeah, I'll own that. It was deliberately condescending. Your flippant remarks invited it. As if people don't have valid reasons for carrying differently in different settings. And yeah - I'm still going to assume you haven't tried slinging that AR as you go about daily business, even in private.....or else that business is pretty limited. ^^^^^^^ In general, I don't do flippant remarks. I was trying to have a honest discussion. Apparently Mr. Harry understood my intent. Of course people have valid reasons for carrying differently in different settings. I often open carry on private land. Repeating myself, but one of the the arguments for concealed carry is not about the gun grab. It is about a predator not knowing you are armed until it is too late. If I understand the argument as many people make it, the assumption is the criminal has decided to act whether you are armed or not, but that they might be less aggressive with their first move if they think you are unarmed. How many times have you heard something like "I don't want the SOB to know I am armed until he is staring down the muzzle"? I've heard it plenty. If that is the argument you make (not saying YOU make it, but many do), is there much difference in city vs. country? I've never hiked the AT. How close can someone get to you who is overtaking you as far as getting close enough for a gun grab? When hunting, I carry a rifle around all day. It is usually heavier than an AR. I'm often carrying more weight in a pack. A light AR weighs less than the extra pounds many of us would like to lose. You can assume whatever you please about what my usual day is and how much time I spend in climate control. But I'll mow about half and acre today, and it won't be a riding mower. Maybe I'll sling an AR and see if it kills me.
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I have spent the last week in Cody, Wy. and have been hiking the back country daily. We have seen only 2 small groups of humans but did see Griz tracks along Grace Creek. When I depart the car my G19 goes into an HPG recon kit bag loaded w/ BB 147gr hardcast. When I return I switch mags for 1 loaded w/ 124gr gold dots and the pistol goes into a AIWB holster. Different solutions to differing scenarios, none of which necessitates open carry for me.
I almost always carry a pack w/ an hipbelt and the HPG kitbag has been perfect for me.
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
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Probably not as rural as the Appalachian Trail. Actually in the wilderness surround C-town he is probably correct. Large portion of that area are still very sparsely poluated
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
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Were I contemplating a long multi state treck on the AT. I don't think something like a pistol caliber lever gun in a trapper configuration would be my choice
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
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As per usual, this thread has wandered into rabbit trails and pissing matches.
I suspect that if the deceased victim had been armed with about anything from a good walking stick to an airweight pocket pistol, and been of a mind to use what he had, he'd be with us yet today. I am saddened that so much of our society fails to grasp this reality.
"Chances Will Be Taken"
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As per usual, this thread has wandered into rabbit trails and pissing matches.
I suspect that if the deceased victim had been armed with about anything from a good walking stick to an airweight pocket pistol, and been of a mind to use what he had, he'd be with us yet today. I am saddened that so much of our society fails to grasp this reality. Agree and well stated. DF
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What's crazy to me is that I dare say, most, hikers are so against guns that they would almost rather be raped or chopped into pieces than carry a firearm for protection. Foolish in the extreme. Agreed, it's crazy, that said, I'm no Yule Gibbons corn nut eating hiker, but damn, I pack more for two legged vermin than four leggers. I can imagine what a wild eyed machete toting nut case would look like after threatening you. Hmmm... DF LOL, well, there are several different kinds of holey, I believe they all would have been visited at games end.
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one never knows what the Lord will bring to our doorsteps, but the Boy scouts had it right for a long long time. "Be Prepared".
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What's crazy to me is that I dare say, most, hikers are so against guns that they would almost rather be raped or chopped into pieces than carry a firearm for protection. Foolish in the extreme. Agreed, it's crazy, that said, I'm no Yule Gibbons corn nut eating hiker, but damn, I pack more for two legged vermin than four leggers. I can imagine what a wild eyed machete toting nut case would look like after threatening you. Hmmm... DF LOL, well, there are several different kinds of holey, I believe they all would have been visited at games end. Normally I'd want the concessions, popcorn sales, etc. BUT, afraid it'd be over before I could sell tickets... DF
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