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Doug is going to wish he had not opened this can of worms. Leupold cannot make a post like this for themselves? They could but won't Guys, what about "This thread is for you to state specific issues that you feel are relevant so that they can be addressed." isn't clear. I did not start this to be yet another bash fest. I started this to hopefully get so serious input I can bring back to Leupold to increase awareness of member opinion of current issues. In answer to "Leupold cannot make a post like this for themselves?" the answer is no in reality they cannot. They are not a supporting vendor of this forum and therefore not in a position to do something like this themselves. PLEASE, use this space constructively so we can make some changes that you all have expressed is overdue. Thank you Can you guys not respect Doug's thread ? Can you not STFU Hall Monitor?
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Hill Country Rifles has spoken (and performed demonstrations) to the folks at Leupold multiple times over the years regarding the issues. Their words have always fell on deaf ears. Could be wrong, but I seriously doubt they'll actually listen to Doug and make changes.
They'll just rename a series VX-8ii-R or whatever and call it "new and improved".
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Hill Country Rifles has spoken (and performed demonstrations) to the folks at Leupold multiple times over the years regarding the issues. Their words have always fell on deaf ears. Could be wrong, but I seriously doubt they'll actually listen to Doug and make changes.
They'll just rename a series VX-8ii-R or whatever and call it "new and improved". Did not know that, Thanks. They build and debug a ton of rifles per year so they should know. I hope you are wrong .
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Thanks for the effort Doug, it really is appreciated by most of us around here, as for the others....well haters gonna hate. I don't think anyone here hates Doug. He's a good man to have around and his efforts are honorable as hell.... If Doug talks to Leupold and gets some changes done there, that will be better for us and Leupold. As far as your statement "haters gonna hate", well after you get burned so many times, it's hard not to hate. Let Leupold build a fairly lightweight scope that resembles their VX3 line, but add a quick focus eye piece, a good reticle (like the Burris ballistic plex, or SWFA MIL Quad), great Leupold glass, and a good erector system (most important change here) and offer it at a comparable price to what SWFA puts out (lets say in a 3-15x42) and let formid test it out for us. If it holds up and works right, I'll bet you'll have a swarm of guys like myself buying one...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I'd like to thank all of you who contributed to this thread. I have been forwarding the constructive posts to some of the higher ups at Leupold and will follow up next week with a conference call. I appreciate the input. You need to forward the whole thread to them. Cherry picking seems to be a grand thing here. I see it all the time. When you have guys that actually shoot and know what they are talking about, that have multiple Leupold failures and swear they will not buy another Leupold again, that is the kind of thing Leupold needs to know and see first hand. Lets not sugar coat this for them. If they would step up their game and offer scopes that actually work, there are many of us that would work our way back to them. Also, I think it's a good thing you are doing....but as another poster said, you will probably just get a nod and smile and thankyou from them and nothing is going to get fixed. They are happy with the way things run. Somehow, they make enough money to stay in business and they do have loyal customers that probably very rarely ever shoot their rifles, but love the way their light Leupold rifle scope looks on top of their newest wizbanger... Good luck Doug, you are going to need it... I totally agree that this "is the kind of thing Leupold needs to know and see first hand. Lets not sugar coat this for them", however, I not forwarding posts that guys wouldn't piss on their building if it were on fire aren't going to evoke the changes in erectors, returning to zero, tracking, quality control, reticle offerings and cost of reticle changes that have been mentioned here.  I have also sent the link to this thread so I am 100% that they are reading all posts as well.
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Doug, the reason for cynicism is because Lowlight from SH actually went to their corporate office and sat down with them to spell out what the issues are and why they were losing market share in the tactical market. Not a lot has changed. I’d like to see them succeed but it’s hard to see past the end of your nose sometimes.
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Doug, BSA is about the last person to pay attention to so far on this thread. Thanks for the effort. I'd like to thank all of you who contributed to this thread. I have been forwarding the constructive posts to some of the higher ups at Leupold and will follow up next week with a conference call. I appreciate the input. You need to forward the whole thread to them. Cherry picking seems to be a grand thing here. I see it all the time. When you have guys that actually shoot and know what they are talking about, that have multiple Leupold failures and swear they will not buy another Leupold again, that is the kind of thing Leupold needs to know and see first hand. Lets not sugar coat this for them. If they would step up their game and offer scopes that actually work, there are many of us that would work our way back to them. Also, I think it's a good thing you are doing....but as another poster said, you will probably just get a nod and smile and thankyou from them and nothing is going to get fixed. They are happy with the way things run. Somehow, they make enough money to stay in business and they do have loyal customers that probably very rarely ever shoot their rifles, but love the way their light Leupold rifle scope looks on top of their newest wizbanger... Good luck Doug, you are going to need it... I totally agree that this "is the kind of thing Leupold needs to know and see first hand. Lets not sugar coat this for them", however, I not forwarding posts that guys wouldn't piss on their building if it were on fire aren't going to evoke the changes in erectors, returning to zero, tracking, quality control, reticle offerings and cost of reticle changes that have been mentioned here. I have also sent the link to this thread so I am 100% that they are reading all posts as well.
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I have said it several times, I used to be a Leupold or bust type of guy, almost every picture I have of me with a dead animal from years past my rifle wears a Leupold. But after owning dozens of them I have lost all confidence in them. When you buy a scope from a myriad of other companies and when sighting in a load and the bullet moves the correct amount per your adjustment its just so damn refreshing. There are still times that I wish some of my scopes were more trim than they are but I will not sacrifice an accurate instrument for 6 or 7 oz of svelteness for an instrument that is a complete crap shoot mechanically. And a guy doesn’t have to spend $1000 to get a scope that works as intended mechanically. I just recently put a Nikon Monarch tactical series on a Tikka 223, and adjustments are dead on balls after 100 rounds through it at various ranges. C’mon Leupold pull your head out of your ass!
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I applaud the effort Doug. It's out of your hands after that. Nice work, and let's hope Leupy get it straightened out.
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Tracking, return to zero, failure to hold zero, inconsistent turret value, loose internal parts etc...
These are my personal experiences . Same goes for me. Same here.
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[quote=GregW][quote=Oldelkhunter]Doug is going to wish he had not opened this can of worms. Leupold cannot make a post like this for themselves? Can you guys not respect Doug's thread ? Can you not STFU Hall Monitor? No . Someone has to monitor you disrespectful children.
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There are lots of things to like about Leupold scopes and I have a bunch of them. However, my recent scope purchases have been other brands. As has been stated ad nauseum, Leupold needs to fix their scopes so that tracking is reliable and zero retention is assured. If they weigh a couple of ounces more that's OK with me.
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No . Someone has to monitor you disrespectful children.
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No . Someone has to monitor you disrespectful children.
GFY I love you too .
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Doug,
Most guides I know use Vari X Leupold low power variable scopes. They see the V3i as optically improved yet somewhat more fragile/unreliable. Remember, most of us start with .300 Win levels of recoil and the .338 is very common. The better guides tend to put their scopes through, at least, .375 levels of recoil. Up here, Leupold does very well with fogproofing and recoil resistance. Vari X scopes hold zero, are fogproof and can take recoil. The vast majority of hunters/shooters are set and forget guys.
Again, very few bash Leupold up here. It has a very positive reputation in the "set and forget" community.
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I'll second the request to make the cost of reticle changes more reasonable. The price increase on that service was steep. Also that some reticle options be made available again for scope lines. Others have mentioned the LRD, but also the German #4. And I concur with TomM1 regarding the VXIII 1.75-6. Wish it were still available. It's a very sensible hunting magnification range with adequate objective for 6x. I have two of them.
I don't agree with some who have mentioned being willing to pay more for a reliable erector, holding zero/POI repeatability. That's an expected requirement for a scope.
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A scope should hold zero, absolutely.
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I don’t mind paying for quality but I would absolutely not pay more for reliability. As stated a few pages back I already buy the top of the line Leupold hunting scope. It’s priced correctly assuming it’s reliable 100% period period. Is it?
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I don’t mind paying for quality but I would absolutely not pay more for reliability. As stated a few pages back I already buy the top of the line Leupold hunting scope. It’s priced correctly assuming it’s reliable 100% period period. Is it? No optic is 100% reliable, some are better than others.
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