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Hey smokepole, how are you this evening? I trust you can still find your way into a tight eyebox this early at night?

As I said in my post, Leupold has all the feedback they need a hundred thousand times over with all the scopes sent in for repair over the decades. Yes, smokepole, that's decades. If I manufactured scopes, and had five come back with the same problem, I'd call it a pattern in need of attention. Is it safe to say Leupold has had at least five scopes come back for repair? What about 50? 500? 5000? I bet they've had that and more.

They know what needs to be done to make a better scope but they're playing the marketing shell game with their scopes and their future. They make their choices, and we make ours.

And smokepole, thank you so much for your thoughtful and insightful post, as always.

Still can't figure it out, huh.

Beaver10,

You seem a bit NAIVE....as you know, objectivity is hard to find nowadays, people have biases and sometimes vested monetary interest driving their opinions....I would not ask a Leupold fan boy for their opinion of Nikon....I wouldn't ask an SWFA fan boy their opinion of Leupold...I wouldnt ask a NF fan boy for their opinion of Tract.....I wouldnt ask a S&B fan boy their opinion of Swarovski.....etc. The competition is ferocious in mid-to high price scopes....getting a variety of opinions from "legitimate" sources beats only one source no matter how knowledgeable.....

Im not going to spend another dollar on Leupold, until they get their chit figured out. Id rather wait for the all clear from someone who i trust will give us a fair and honest report. Formid will definitely do that, as we all know. Its not about having balls, its about having brains. Obviously that is where you are lacking.

bsa,

Sorry, but no one is Omniscient. Been around too long to buy into just ONE GUY'S OPINION.

Agree with this post..Fix erectors so they stay put and zero doesn't shift all ,over....I had trouble with three..That was enough for me..It happened in Africa..I switched to MeOpta and Conquest (same) and they stay where I out 'em..

Agree with this post..Fix erectors so they stay put and zero doesn't shift all ,over....I had trouble with three..That was enough for me..It happened in Africa..I switched to MeOpta and Conquest (same) and they stay where I put 'em..

I would like to see them offer an “etched reticle” like the old conquest scopes. Dark thicker posts that narrow down to a very fine cross hair for detailed range work. I compared my zeiss scopes to my vx2-3 leupolds in low light on game. I could see the animal fairly comparably but the zeiss reticle stood out clearly better on game in low light. Also Crisp “clicks” for dialing would be nicer than the mushy adjustments they have now. Love the 4” eye relief on my leupolds though. Don’t change that.

Formidilosus, breaks a lot of gear using and testing it. For him, it’s a career, not just a hunting season. I’m beyond confident Form isn’t a paid shill.

To me it’s only naive to think I would only run 500 rounds of magnum chamberings under my optics. If a “source” is showing “catastrophic” failures after a few thousand rounds or less. That gives me serious concern.

I’m an equal opportunity purchaser. I run March, NF, Leupold, Zeiss, SWFA, Sightron, and Bushnell - All of these scopes are of the higher end line-card for each maker.

The Sig Whiskey5 and Tango6 have some excellent glass. Better than Leupold VX6 “subjective”,”yes” but I have the scopes to compare side by side...Not second hand my best pard said the scope was good schit....My eyes, my experience behind glass, my scopes. That means something, if only to me.

Now, I was vested in a few of these Sig scopes. I had read glowing reviews about them before I bought, including inside knowledge I was told about a few former Leupold engineers moving to Sig.

I decided to buy a Tango6 from a pard who also knows a lot about scopes and optics. He liked the scope, not the reticle.

Back to listening to one person..What benefit does Formidilosus derive from making damning statements about an optics failure?

I see none, other than upsetting a manufacturer who was trying to get a pass/fail certification from Forms organization which a “pass” would likely help push them further along in the purchasing process and being added to a requisition list for military or LEO needs.

And a fail means back to the drawing board or put your optic in front of the buying community, warts and all, and hope one organization won’t care that the scope lenses fell out after only 3k rounds fired down range.

Yes, there’s good scopes out their that will work and help a person kill animals...But, there’s not a lot of great scopes that have been built as a total package with menu features, unless you have the bank roll to whip out $3-$4k.

To afford my scopes, they’re has to be some concessions, so I can afford the purchase. I now choose durability and repeatability over great glass clarity....Good to really good glass works well for me along with tough internals...Weight? Pfftt, 28-32oz is fine for my hunting. 😎

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You can call me Shirley but never naive 😬

And I would not ask a guy who says rangefinders are unnecessary for his opinion on much of anything shooting-related.

Doug, start a new thread when you hear back from leupold and let us know what they say.

I would like to make a couple of points here. I am not "dissing" anyone here, I just want to present an opposing opinion.


If there were other brands in the price range with the same attributes (light weight, good eye relief, small ocular, etc), that also had a stellar tracking record, then yes, I would not want to pay extra for Leupold to beef up their erectors. But, I do not know of another brand of scope with the attributes that I like about Leupolds, that also has a stellar tracking reputation, in the same price range. So what I am saying is, I would be willing to pay more for their scopes with a reliable erector to get a reliable erector in combination with those things that I do like about Leupold scopes.



I see what you are saying that Leupold knows what is wrong with their scopes. But I think the purpose of Dougs thread here, is to let Leupold know that WE KNOW what is wrong with their scopes and they are loosing many customers, which is affecting their sales income. RJ

Shall do. Here's hoping I'll have something good to report

I'm not convinced that Fireball is the one not figuring things out.

Doug has explained his reasons for starting this thread more than once so they should be crystal clear.

Will it work? I don't know and Doug has admitted he doesn't know either but you've got to give him credit for trying. He's doing what he can to help out, the rest is up to Leupold. Plus, he sponsors the forum and for that alone he deserves some deference.

What he doesn't deserve is people questioning his motives or intelligence for posting the thread. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Thank you. As Mom used to say "I am responsible for the effort, not the outcome" all I can do is try to get some action started. As soon as I hear something back, which I am hoping will be this week, I will post

A scope is an aiming device. So, mechanical trumps glass. It is nice to have both, but forced to choose, mechanical over glass any day.

DF

I want both, hard to hit what you can’t see. BTDT.

Any $200 scope today has adequate glass for killing stuff. Those days are over.