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The Guadalcanal campaign would have been very different if the Japanese had a few more carriers and aircrews to use.
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That would be a good Jeopardy question.
I've thought that identifying the names of the Japanese carriers would be a good question. "What were..."?
On one show a question was "On what day of the week did the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor"? Not a single contestant knew it was Sunday. Hell, that was a major part of the Japanese strategy, catching the Americans off guard on a day of rest.
Ignorance of history abounds.
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Unit history questions were always part of the E5 and E6 boards. We would have BN and BDE formations and runs on historic dates everywhere I got stationed.
Lots of MI signals deception in the battle of midday From the water supply transmissions To false radio traffic to the Yorktown " still in the coral sea area" That stuff allowed us to prestage on the sunsabytches big time.
Jap admiral trying to decide and squeeze time to the minute rearming, refueling landing and launching. Really worked to our benefit.
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The Guadalcanal campaign would have been very different if the Japanese had a few more carriers and aircrews to use. There would not have bee a Guadalcanal campaign, at least not then had we lost at Midway. Be that as it may, they still kicked our ass at Savo Island and had they pressed their attack could have probably won.
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Does anyone how many aircraft we lost? japs: four carriers 322 aircraft USN: One carrier, 147 aircraft. Thanks, JorgeI, as a previous post stated we were getting our asses handed to us until that first carrier was hit. Gutsy bunch of pilots we had.
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We were lucky. LCDR Wade McCluskey on a hunch turned NW and at the limit of his fuel, found the carriers in the process of re-configuring their ordnance loads and their fighter coverage had been "pulled down" chasing (and destroying) Torpedo Bombing Squadron 8 . A young LT, name Dick Best, scored the first hit...
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77 years ago today, they ceased to exist... I asked about a dozen sailors, chiefs and officers here on base what was today and NOT ONE had a clue..... Sad, that... We were lucky. LCDR Wade McCluskey on a hunch turned NW and at the limit of his fuel, found the carriers in the process of re-configuring their ordnance loads and their fighter coverage had been "pulled down" chasing (and destroying) Torpedo Bombing Squadron 8 . .. Yep - I read about that in the book "The Big E".. I must have read that book about a hundred times.. And, two years ago, at Arlington, I was waiting for a shuttle bus and turned around on the bench and saw this: IMHO one of the best Admirals in the war...
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japs: four carriers 322 aircraft
And some 300-odd of Japan's finest naval combat pilots. Irreplaceable.
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Very neat. If you want to read the BEST book on the battle, get "Shattered Sword"... paperback on Amazon. incredible read..
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Those Jap ship names sounded familiar. Used to play WWII board games as a kid. Blitzkrieg was a good one too . . . Irwin Rommel - the Desert Fox
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Very neat. If you want to read the BEST book on the battle, get "Shattered Sword"... paperback on Amazon. incredible read.. Ordered - and on the way.. Thanks jorge....
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japs: four carriers 322 aircraft
And some 300-odd of Japan's finest naval combat pilots. Irreplaceable. Actually, most of the aviators survived, it was the support element, crew chiefs, mechanics, etc who suffered terrible casualties when their ships went up like roman candles.
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Very neat. If you want to read the BEST book on the battle, get "Shattered Sword"... paperback on Amazon. incredible read.. Ordered - and on the way.. Thanks jorge.... If you don't like it, send me the bill!
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Thanks for the reminder Jorge. Important day that should be remembered.
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The Guadalcanal campaign would have been very different if the Japanese had a few more carriers and aircrews to use. There would not have been a Guadalcanal campaign, at least not then had we lost at Midway. Be that as it may, they still kicked our ass at Savo Island and had they pressed their attack could have probably won. Yes, that is my thought, it would have setback our timetable for the offensive and made the war much longer. It’s amazing that the Japanese were so timid with their Guadalcanal strategy, they could have won it early by being bold. Victory disease I guess.
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Gutsy men in those planes. Men of true grit, conviction, and determination..............The Greatest Generation. Simply put, Badasses.
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The Guadalcanal campaign would have been very different if the Japanese had a few more carriers and aircrews to use. There would not have been a Guadalcanal campaign, at least not then had we lost at Midway. Be that as it may, they still kicked our ass at Savo Island and had they pressed their attack could have probably won. Yes, that is my thought, it would have setback our timetable for the offensive and made the war much longer. It’s amazing that the Japanese were so timid with their Guadalcanal strategy, they could have won it early by being bold. Victory disease I guess. In the big scheme of things, Japan lost the war when the first bomb (or torpedo) came off the rails on December 7th...
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77 years ago today, they ceased to exist... I asked about a dozen sailors, chiefs and officers here on base what was today and NOT ONE had a clue..... You think that’s bad? I was in a deli the other day and not a single kid knew who Shadrach, Meshach or Abendego were.
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Are you going to force me to look that up? No way I was going to ask about the names, just what happened on 04 June, 1942...
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An English translation of the Japanese carrier names:
From the Combined Fleet web page.
Hosho class Hosho: "How a phoenix dives", implies power
Kaga class Kaga: "Increased Joy", a province name (Kaga was originally laid down as a battleship)
Akagi class Akagi: "Red Castle", a volcano in the Kanto area (Akagi was originally laid down as a battlecruiser)
Ryujo class Ryujo: "Such as a dragon builds", "Sacred Dragon"
Soryu class Soryu: "Blue-gray dragon" Hiryu: "Dragon Flying in Heaven"
Zuiho class Zuiho: "Lucky or Auspicious Phoenix" Shoho: "Luckbringing Phoenix"
Ryuho class Ryuho: "Dragon and Phoenix"
Shokaku class Shokaku: "Crane Flying in Heaven" (also "Happy Crane") Zuikaku: "Lucky or Fortunate or Auspicious Crane"
Hiyo class Hiyo: "A Falcon Flying Away" Junyo: "Wandering Falcon"
Taiho class Taiho: "Great or Greater Phoenix"
Shinano class Shinano: A province, containing Nagano City (Shinano was originally laid down as a battleship); also the longest river in Japan
Unryu class Unryu: "Cloud of a Heaven-flying dragon", "Dragon in Clouds" Amagi: "Heaven castle," a volcano Katsuragi "Katsura Castle," a mountain
Chitose class Chitose: "1000 Years," or, "Long Life", a city Chiyoda: "That which will live 1000 years or 1000 generations", "Like the Fields" (also the name of the Imperial palace in Tokyo)
Taiyo class Taiyo: "Greater falcon" Unyo: "Cloud falcon" Chuyo "High Seas Falcon"
Kaiyo class Kaiyo "Sea falcon"
Shinyo class Shinyo: "Condor"
Mizuho class Mizuho: Juicy rice ears
Nisshin class Nisshin: Daily fort patrol
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