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Fugg off dirtbag.

Sheesh! You kiss your husband with that mouth?

At least he explained nom de guerre for us!

We were all scratching our heads at his linguistic skills!!

Still can’t find a sarcasm emoji

Chronic Lier. Hopefully # 2 is true

No sense being a piece of chit unless you act it, homie...

Assuming number 2 is correct:
Is this truly what you want to be doing when the end finds you?

Oh, okay. So sad. How about making the ' Fire a better place by hurrying the fugg up and dying? (There, NOW I feel better...)

ETA: Hey, Queer Carl, wouldn't that be a hoot if YOUR hell WAS Texas? Maybe you're ALREADY dead... Bwahhahahaha!

BTW, I've only been to Texas once, San Antonio to be exact, but I thought it was a pretty nice place, fulla good people (but then YOU weren't there...)

Point conceded, with the observation that MOST history is hearsay in the details. The people I got this quote from are serious about their history, and there is little out of character for Houston in the quote.

Things to recall about Houston.....

1) He was always in service to his mentor; Andrew Jackson. Indians, especially Cherokees, still go to the Hermitage to pee on Jackson’s grave (or used to, I think they’re on their phones now all the time like everybody else).

2) Houston first gained acclaim for his heroics at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend during the Creek War where he served as a Lieutenant in Jackson’s Force. At Horseshoe Bend more than 800 Traditionalist Creek Indians, including women and children, were slaughtered.

3) Houston came to Texas to further his own political ends and to to becomes leader in whatever sort of state that resulted. His self-serving machinations to achieve this was in a large part responsible for why he was despised by so many in Texas.

4) While the Alamo siege was underway Houston made no attempt to come to its aid. Questionable that he could have done anyway, but he had just left Goliad and the 500 man Texian Army where he had deliberately sown dissention in the ranks and leadership in order to sabotage the prospects of his rivals.

When he was invested in command by the nascent Republic (after suddenly jumping sides from the stay-as-part-of-Mexico faction), rather than even try to help the Alamo (and potential rivals Bowie and Travis), Houston chose that moment to go to East Texas to firm up his personal alliance with the Texas Cherokees.

It is probably not coincidental that at that same time his mentor President Jackson had an American Army massed a along the Sabine in that same area. Houston would shortly thereafter attempt to draw the Mexican forces towards that army but be overruled by his men who instead marched towards the Mexican forces resulting in the improbable victory at San Jacinto.

Most of the men who were actually AT San Jacinto actively despised Houston the rest of their lives, calling him a liar who had assumed credit for the battle that they had actually won.

5) For the rest of his career Houston remained ever ready to precipitate bloodshed in Mexico towards the end of conquering more real estate. That weren’t for the benefit of his Cherokees.

I read the Texas Monthly link.

All points conceded! Some I knew of, others I did not. Some points I learned more about - a few were daintily glossed over in the PBS Special - I guess so that no one might start doxxing the producers...

Previously, I believed that Houston had been fairer to the Native Americans, I can see now that Houston only used Native Americans for his OWN ambitions.

Now, here is what lies at the bedrock of my comments herein, in general, even if I've stumbled on a few insignificant Historical facts, depending on how much weight one gives to any History, written by any man, being 'perfect." Anyone that tries hard enough can find some History to back up their own bias.

Again - not directed at you, personally.

A person can love Texas if they want, but this is NOT The United States of Texas, and "America" was NOT formed around Texas. I am for America First, NOT Texas first, and NOT any other God-damned State first. My 'ancestors' from South Carolina fought in the Revolution - that doesn't make me any more American than any other Genuine American, no matter what color they are or who they vote for, nor does it give me some God-given right to decide what anyone can say on a God-damned internet forum.

Texas, like any other God-damned State in this country, has just as many flaws as any other God-damned State in this country - the least of which are Texans that can't stand having their biases challenged and that whine about a Wall and the welfare that low wage illegal aliens that wont talk back, or out of work Genuine Americans, collect, all the while hiring low wage illegal aliens that won't talk back, that they can talk down to, to work their businesses and/or to clean their yards, taking the wages of Genuine American workers, many of whom happen to be Texans, and putting in their OWN pocket. To me, THAT is more un-American than anyone voting for Obama to get what they can from America and put it in their OWN pocket. THIS is where this pissing match started and if that offends anyone, tough chit, buy a tampon.

Next - Texas was annexed to grab land on the pretext that Texans might make a deal with England to sell their cotton to England - at the time, cotton was like gold, and The Union would have been effectively surrounded by England. Whether Houston set this up as a ruse to gain Texas' annexation, thereby guaranteeing HIMSELF a place in Congress, and access to LAND, and WEALTH, for HIMSELF, is irrelevant - Jackson knew the threat was real and if England could pull it off, they would have done it.

Finally, anyone who is honest can easily see some of the arrogance and racism posted on CF. Its a different world - it isn't 1860 OR 1930 - you (not you personally) just made a democrat voter- FOR LIFE.

ALL men are created equal, and the First Amendment applies to everyone, whether anyone likes what someone says or not, and any Genuine American can vote any way he or she wants, even if it is political warfare, or even if it is to get what they can for themselves, like Sam Houston.

The ONLY thing that can change that is Americans that set an example with their own Character and Integrity, against it - not internet threats or any self-serving comic-book facade based on 1950's television shows.

Have a great day!

Poor Queer Karl.

I have the greatest sympathy for anyone that has cancer, but that's not an excuse for the type of behavior Karl as shown on here. I believe I'd be trying very hard to make sure the good Lord was impressed enough with me in order to make certain I ended up with Him, rather than picking arguments with people I didn't know.

Hopefully this is the last time I address you.

When are you going to start practicing what you preach, Karl?

You start threads with the most offensive verbiage you can conjure up. Then continue the hate and lies.

You have made some pretty good internet threats yourself. Lots of them.

Actually, I'm sorry you have cancer. After cancer took a wife from me, then killed her, I probably can understand your bitterness and hatred better than most.

In fact, I know for a fact that some of us have reached out to you, to offer you help, in any way we could. You wouldn't have it, and would rather continue down your path of hatred. That's fine. We tried.


There are many good people here at the Campfire. There are many good people in Texas. Texas, and it's people are not the source of your private hell. Nor is the Campfire.


The choice to continue down your path of hatred is yours alone. But, I think in your circumstances, I may choose to let more positive things, people, and actions into your life, and not dedicate yourself so completely to spreading hate, lies, and discontent.

I can't stop you from doing what you are going to do. But I shall not respond any longer to your hate, lies and contempt... That's a game you are going to have to play by yourself from now on. At least on my part.


I truly hope you find peace and contentment in your life. Your life can filled with friendship and caring, or it can be filled with hatred and hurting. Only YOU can fill that space.

Not everyone in this world is out to hurt you. No matter what you believe.

Barry

With an amazingly similar superiority complex.

You started issuing threats to have the Texas Rangers come and visit me after accusing me of being a member of some Republic of Texas nonsense that I know nothing about, then when I challenged your absurd accusations, and gave you a taste of your own medicine in return, you issued further threats to come and visit me and "make me chit my pants," as if you were going to intimidate me into not saying whatever the fugg I want. You and no one you know, scares me, or ever will. And since you want to broadcast what one of your surrogates communicated to me in a PM, you can ask him about other of my experiences and see if he thinks you or anyone else is going to intimidate me, about anything. I've dealt with much, much tougher people than you, and I would never accept any offer of friendship from anyone that would do what you've done trying to doxx me into submission.

If you or anyone else here doesn't like what I post, you can put me on ignore, or come back with your own arguments - none of which you have been able to get me to take personally, until you resorted to doxxing me and my personal health information and information about my aunt and uncle.

That is entirely on your shoulders, bro.

LMFAO.

Holy fugk.

How is anyone not crying from laughter at this?

More lies, Karl. More lies. There was a guy here that claimed to be a Republic of Texas member, not long ago, and to be frank, you sound like him. I didn't threaten you. I mentioned that the Texas Rangers investigate ROT members and their activities. I didn't threaten you at all. Just stated a fact.

I also never threatened to come visit you. I merely suggested you attend a gathering where you could be educated. Never once did I threaten to come to you. More lies. You did however threaten to take the 1911 in my avatar away and beat my teeth out with it... Want me to quote that?

Karl, t'wernt "me" that doxed you. You were doxed TO me. I know you can't compute that. But it's the truth, and I can prove it. If anyone doxed you, it was you. You put enough info out there, that someone that's better at that sort of thing than you or me could find everything about you in about 10 minutes. So, that is a lie as well.

Nobody is trying to block your hate speech here. Hate speech is free speech. But don't be so surprised when all the hate you spew offends people and riles them up. That's a by-product of YOUR own words.

Godspeed with whatever you want to say or do.

Sam Houston,,,,,,,

Birdy said,,,,,,

" Most of the men who were actually AT San Jacinto actively despised Houston the rest of their lives, calling him a liar who had assumed credit for the battle that they had actually won."

Very true Birdy!!! Especially three of the higher ranking officers from here in Bastrop. Edward Burleson, Robert Coleman, and Jesse Billingsley.

Burleson, another War of 1812 veteran, considered Houston a drunk and a coward and continued to rail against him up until the 1850’s! They all stated that Houston was finally forced to make the stand. ( I believe you and I agree that Houston was headed for the Louisiana border and your afore mentioned US Army concentrations in that area).

Coleman, was Houston’s aide-de-camp, and Billingsley a unit commander from the area. Coleman later mysteriously drowned in the Brazos river while bathing at Velasco right after the treaty was signed.

They all wrote that Houston had no confidence in the army. And was determined they would not fight. Burleson and Houston got into pretty heated arguments over this issue. Especially concerning the companies from the frontier settlements. . Even tho the these men ( militia) in all likelihood had more frontier combat experience than Houston, himself. Houston, later, went out of his way to sabotage any hopes of Burleson becoming President of the republic in 1844. These fellas had and maintained grudges.

Contracts AIDS.

Goes to Texas (which he hates) to live with his aunt (because he has no money) then (because he has no choice) gets treatment by the worst doctors in the country.

TFF.

but just the other day in a different granny was speaking of how much money he made in New York and he was independently wealthy now so how could this be??? Lmao

I don't know what that meskin' slang word means, but I see nothing ass-holish about writing what I believe is the truth regarding your views. It would be much easier if you and most of the lefties here, stop hiding and dodging who you are and where you are. I'm working on your trail and if I'm wrong, I'll say so.