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Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s fredIII #13881821 06/07/19
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,498 elkhuntinguide Campfire Regular
elkhuntinguide Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,498	You can count anything you have first hand experience with in 135 gr 6.5... If you had the experience that shoulda been your go to from the start verses pulling some silly number like 3350 oughta your äss...

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Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s fredIII #13881829 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷 F fredIII Campfire Outfitter
fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷	Originally Posted by fredIII Originally Posted by elkhuntinguide No hint needed as you have made everything clear as mud... so again you have no fückin clue on velocity of either a 6.5 Saum or a PRC shooting a 135gr bullet... Typical as always... Can I count the Berger’s. I seems we tried Berger’s just for grins. Not to mention I have shot and tested enough that it ain’t to hard to figure out what a bullet will do with out having them in hand. But you have made your point. I was 150 feet to fast it still doesn’t change my statement that it will out pace a 180 to any reasonable range. You do fight so fiercely for sugartits are you sure you have never meet him seems I remember you making a comment sometime ago about seeing the tribe. Per his wife running off. ? Am I remembering correctly.

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s Burleyboy #13881841 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	Your Drooling Dumb Fhuqktitude is HILARIOUS! Congratulations?!? The ONLY thing "outpaced" is your "knowledge"...you poor poor(literally) Whining Fhuqk. Bless your heart for TRYING sooooooo hard though. LAUGHING! Hint................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s elkhuntinguide #13881846 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷 F fredIII Campfire Outfitter
fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷	Originally Posted by elkhuntinguide You can count anything you have first hand experience within 135 gr 6.5... If you had the experience that shoulda been your go to from the start verses pulling some silly number like 3350 oughta your äss... I put so many loads together I cannot remember each one and sugartits ain’t worth digging through a mountain of notes to please or prove wrong. Probably load for 75 guys. At different times not counting the guys that use the 100 in the yard for zero and load development.

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s Burleyboy #13881857 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	How many 135's have you "loaded"...so as to "forget" them? Congratulations?!? LAUGHING! The ONLY thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination. Bless your heart for TRYING soooooooooo hard though. Hint.............. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

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Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s xverminator #13881861 06/07/19
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fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷	Originally Posted by xverminator Originally Posted by fredIII Originally Posted by elkhuntinguide What velocity do you get with 135s in your 6.5 SAUM or 6.5 PRC??? Mr gardener didn’t think 3200 was out of the question with .180 free Y do you ask do you think I would give a fûck what you think. Anyone loving sugartits is a scum fûck dirt bag. Ya, it must be .180" freebore, don't twist it too tightly, it must be 1-8.5", hold your mouth just right, let's not forget 3200 is easy w/140's but if you want barrel life just load it to 3050fps with 62grs of H-1000.....Will a 6.5 SAUM run a 135 Atip 3350fps? Yep, but you better have a very long barrel or a Kevlar face! I like George, he is a very good gunsmith but he's an even better business man...... X-VERMINATOR Got a couple pounds of 26 that I was gonna use to push those 135. That’s fair enough I’ve no interest in a 28” gap barrel but would like to see 3200 ish from the 135. Last edited by fredIII; 06/07/19.

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s xverminator #13881866 06/07/19
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,233 Rainy Western Wa MallardAddict Campfire Tracker
MallardAddict Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 5,233 Rainy Western Wa	Originally Posted by elkhuntinguide No hint needed as you have made everything clear as mud... so again you have no fückin clue on velocity of either a 6.5 Saum or a PRC shooting a 135gr bullet... Typical as always... Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit is it? Originally Posted by fredIII I shot and worked loads up with a friends he also had a 6.5 wsm that I tuned a load for. The gap if memory serves was 147 at 3125 ish. He posted on this thread if you need a hint. LOL My Gap built 4S sure the fück will get 3125 out of the 147 and 3200 out of the 135’s. Both 100ct sets of Bertram brass are over 6 loadings and hold primers like new so they are t being abused either. My benchmark built 6.5 wsm beats my Gap by essentially 150-175 FPS across the board using 2-3 grains more powder. And my 7 wsm that lives on 180 eld’s at 3025 fps. All 3 have been at Fred’s home more then once, all 3 have had ammo loaded on Freds press and being conservative he probably has a few hundred rounds down range between the 3 of them not to mention he shoots 180’s in his own 7. I figure that qualifies as some experience don’t you? Originally Posted by xverminator Ya, it must be .180" freebore, don't twist it too tightly, it must be 1-8.5", hold your mouth just right, let's not forget 3200 is easy w/140's but if you want barrel life just load it to 3050fps with 62grs of H-1000. X-VERMINATOR Nope keep guessing and failing ace. The rifle has .120 freebore, 1:8 twist and it absolutely will do 3200 with 140’s as many users are doing but I prefer the 147 for a heavy. The 3050 FPS advice was also for users utilizing the round on long string of fire PRS rifles, Not hunting rifles. But again I own and use the caliber being discussed and your guessing.

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s fredIII #13881867 06/07/19
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,291 Edge of Hell.... xverminator Campfire Tracker
xverminator Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,291 Edge of Hell....	Originally Posted by fredIII Originally Posted by elkhuntinguide You can count anything you have first hand experience within 135 gr 6.5... If you had the experience that shoulda been your go to from the start verses pulling some silly number like 3350 oughta your äss... I put so many loads together I cannot remember each one and sugartits ain’t worth digging through a mountain of notes to please or prove wrong. Probably load for 75 guys. At different times not counting the guys that use the 100 in the yard for zero and load development. Well sheit maybe you should tell us again how the 75gr ELD outpaces the 88 at all distance but don't forget the only categories that matter to us that shoot a lot are wind drift and impact velocity.... X-VERMINATOR Sooner or later our heritage of hunting is going to be a rich mans sport and the words "Outfitter" and "Hunt Industry" will be synonymous with cancer and A.I.D.S. among blue collar hunters like me and my family! (A.L. Williams - 2010)

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s Burleyboy #13881868 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	You gotta a buncha Imagination and Pretend,you CLUELESS Fhuqk. Congratulations?!? LAUGHING! Bless your heart. Hint................ Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s Burleyboy #13881873 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon Beaver10 Campfire Ranger
Beaver10 Campfire Ranger Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 23,506 Oregon	Intermission time...😎 New PRC build heading out in the morning for some barrel break-in only...Mack Bros.TI action, Proof Sendero 1:8, APA M5 Dbm, Thunderbeast brake, MCM handle...Spinning box fodder Horn 147g ELD-M @ speeds less than 2910 FPS published, as usual. Now back to your regular programming. 😬 For what it’s worth...Fred does have a long professional history of experience in the industry...Just saying. Last edited by Beaver10; 06/08/19. Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”

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Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s Burleyboy #13881879 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	Who has low enough "standards" to hire her,for "input". DO tell. LAUGHING! Hint................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s Big Stick #13881880 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷 F fredIII Campfire Outfitter
fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷	Originally Posted by Big Stick How many 135's have you "loaded"...so as to "forget" them? Congratulations?!? LAUGHING! The ONLY thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination. Bless your heart for TRYING soooooooooo hard though. Hint.............. Is that so. LMFAO.

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s fredIII #13881881 06/07/19
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,498 elkhuntinguide Campfire Regular
elkhuntinguide Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,498	It ain’t to hard but you made it a struggle... As for anything 7mm I can’t comment as I don’t own anything 7mm any longer... My 6.5 SAUM I get right at 3165 with a 135 JLK... I’m not fighting fiercely for anyone... just proving you had no first hand experience and were completely off base... some people do read this schitt and take it to heart... I’ve never met the man or his tribe in person.... I’ve talked with him on the phone and via text... I hate his SWFA junk and he can’t stand my NightForce junk but we both understand the reasons... He can call me a dumbfük and I can tell him to GO fük himself and still carry a civil conversation...

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s xverminator #13881885 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷 F fredIII Campfire Outfitter
fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷	Originally Posted by xverminator Originally Posted by fredIII Originally Posted by elkhuntinguide You can count anything you have first hand experience within 135 gr 6.5... If you had the experience that shoulda been your go to from the start verses pulling some silly number like 3350 oughta your äss... I put so many loads together I cannot remember each one and sugartits ain’t worth digging through a mountain of notes to please or prove wrong. Probably load for 75 guys. At different times not counting the guys that use the 100 in the yard for zero and load development. Well sheit maybe you should tell us again how the 75gr ELD outpaces the 88 at all distance but don't forget the only categories that matter to us that shoot a lot are wind drift and impact velocity.... X-VERMINATOR I never said that nor would I. But you keep trying

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s Big Stick #13881890 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷 F fredIII Campfire Outfitter
fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷	Originally Posted by Big Stick How many 135's have you "loaded"...so as to "forget" them? Congratulations?!? LAUGHING! The ONLY thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination. Bless your heart for TRYING soooooooooo hard though. Hint.............. Never forgot shït your are to fun to string along to just spill my guts. 😂😂😂 Sugartits don’t ever think I’m not fûcking with you every chance I get. Hint. I bet you fat lazy ass is passing out on the couch tonight. 😩🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂 Last edited by fredIII; 06/07/19.

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s MallardAddict #13881901 06/07/19
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,291 Edge of Hell.... xverminator Campfire Tracker
xverminator Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,291 Edge of Hell....	Originally Posted by MallardAddict Originally Posted by elkhuntinguide No hint needed as you have made everything clear as mud... so again you have no fückin clue on velocity of either a 6.5 Saum or a PRC shooting a 135gr bullet... Typical as always... Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit is it? Originally Posted by fredIII I shot and worked loads up with a friends he also had a 6.5 wsm that I tuned a load for. The gap if memory serves was 147 at 3125 ish. He posted on this thread if you need a hint. LOL My Gap built 4S sure the fück will get 3125 out of the 147 and 3200 out of the 135’s. Both 100ct sets of Bertram brass are over 6 loadings and hold primers like new so they are t being abused either. My benchmark built 6.5 wsm beats my Gap by essentially 150-175 FPS across the board using 2-3 grains more powder. And my 7 wsm that lives on 180 eld’s at 3025 fps. All 3 have been at Fred’s home more then once, all 3 have had ammo loaded on Freds press and being conservative he probably has a few hundred rounds down range between the 3 of them not to mention he shoots 180’s in his own 7. I figure that qualifies as some experience don’t you? Originally Posted by xverminator Ya, it must be .180" freebore, don't twist it too tightly, it must be 1-8.5", hold your mouth just right, let's not forget 3200 is easy w/140's but if you want barrel life just load it to 3050fps with 62grs of H-1000. X-VERMINATOR Nope keep guessing and failing ace. The rifle has .120 freebore, 1:8 twist and it absolutely will do 3200 with 140’s as many users are doing but I prefer the 147 for a heavy. The 3050 FPS advice was also for users utilizing the round on long string of fire PRS rifles, Not hunting rifles. But again I own and use the caliber being discussed and your guessing. Umm, 3200 aint 3350...........Secondly, can you share your source of brass? I have a switch barrel 8 twist 7 SAUM gunning 180 ELD's with an 8.5 twist 6.5 SAUM previously gunning 140 Bergers, now 147 ELD's.................................. Guess which barrel gets screwed on for a windy day? X-VERMINATOR Sooner or later our heritage of hunting is going to be a rich mans sport and the words "Outfitter" and "Hunt Industry" will be synonymous with cancer and A.I.D.S. among blue collar hunters like me and my family! (A.L. Williams - 2010)

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s MallardAddict #13881904 06/07/19
Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,498 elkhuntinguide Campfire Regular
elkhuntinguide Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,498	Originally Posted by MallardAddict Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit is it? Or is it yours... All my comments were made to Fred or Jud and not once did I mention you or actually even notice you or your posts... that’s telling in itself... I’m sure your girlfriend can stand on his own two feet... Funny how you neglected to come to the rescue when he posted the 3350 ignorant velocity numbers and no wanna stick your ribs out as you post... Anything else troubling you that we all need to be aware of...

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s elkhuntinguide #13881905 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷 F fredIII Campfire Outfitter
fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷	Originally Posted by Big Stick Who has low enough "standards" to hire her,for "input". DO tell. LAUGHING! Hint................. Originally Posted by elkhuntinguide It ain’t to hard but you made it a struggle... As for anything 7mm I can’t comment as I don’t own anything 7mm any longer... My 6.5 SAUM I get right at 3165 with a 135 JLK... I’m not fighting fiercely for anyone... just proving you had no first hand experience and were completely off base... some people do read this schitt and take it to heart... I’ve never met the man or his tribe in person.... I’ve talked with him on the phone and via text... I hate his SWFA junk and he can’t stand my NightForce junk but we both understand the reasons... He can call me a dumbfük and I can tell him to GO fük himself and still carry a civil conversation... Originally Posted by elkhuntinguide It ain’t to hard but you made it a struggle... As for anything 7mm I can’t comment as I don’t own anything 7mm any longer... My 6.5 SAUM I get right at 3165 with a 135 JLK... I’m not fighting fiercely for anyone... just proving you had no first hand experience and were completely off base... some people do read this schitt and take it to heart... I’ve never met the man or his tribe in person.... I’ve talked with him on the phone and via text... I hate his SWFA junk and he can’t stand my NightForce junk but we both understand the reasons... He can call me a dumbfük and I can tell him to GO fük himself and still carry a civil conversation... I’ve thick skin and when you have all day texting folks with ten minute gaps it’s fun to just keep dragging the fat man behind the truck.

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s Burleyboy #13881911 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska Big Stick Campfire Kahuna
Big Stick Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 58,567 Likes: 10 Paradise,Alaska	Gawddamnit! She "worked" for someone once and "shot" up to 5000rds a month,in her "position"...so she's "steeped" in the parlance. LAUGHING! Do NOT underestimate the "power" of her Imagination and Pretend,because it is "real" to her. Bless her heart. Hint.................. Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."

Re: 6.5 prc or 6.5 4s elkhuntinguide #13881914 06/07/19
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷 F fredIII Campfire Outfitter
fredIII Campfire Outfitter F Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,423 Wa west 🇱🇷	Originally Posted by elkhuntinguide Originally Posted by MallardAddict Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit is it? Or is it yours... All my comments were made to Fred or Jud and not once did I mention you or actually even notice you or your posts... that’s telling in itself... I’m sure your girlfriend can stand on his own two feet... Funny how you neglected to come to the rescue when he posted the 3350 ignorant velocity numbers and no wanna stick your ribs out as you post... Anything else troubling you that we all need to be aware of... Easy you kept asking! he gave you an answer that you would not take from me I told you several times. If I’m his girlfriend you should be pissed because you missed out on a hottie. LOL

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