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elks quit fibben you hit it with your car
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elks quit fibben you hit it with your car
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elks quit fibben you hit it with your car LOL! What a deal. Guy
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Umm,I hit them,don't think muzzle blast can do this. Dang, that's a purty piece of wood on the rabbit gun! Guy
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It's all about proper shot placement for a quick kill. Which also eliminates the possibility of having to stop a charge. And that does have a super nice chunk of wood on it.
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Negative Ghostrider, ......
Hey ! Johnny's ALIVE !! Jerry
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mudhen,
Even IF you could reliably kill a Cape Buffalo with a 5.56NATO/,223REM (which I seriously doubt), ...
Your doubt has been proven wrong more than a few times. Legal issues related to what one uses is irrelevant to whether or not it will kill something. I would listen to Dan !! Jerry
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More recent... .450 Howell using a 350 grain Speer. Exit... Ken, you messed up the 'front' shoulder ! Jerry
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Why would you use a 223 when you could use a 22 CB cap?
Or a 12 oz ball-pein hammer?
Oh................ if you no longer need them................can I have your guns?
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chlinstructor,
PITY that I've "caught you IN" at least a few "mistakes of fact" OR more likely in KNOWING LIES. = Tell everyone what your excuse will be when I next go to Mother's home, make a Xerox of the letter that MAJ (He was then a 2LT, USAR.) Murphy wrote from a hospital in USAREUR to my mother at Christmas 1944, when he was recovering from a bullet wound to the hip. = The letter is 5 handwritten pages long & mentions mother teaching him English. (Mother never taught 5th Grade or any other elementary grade.) My guess is that MAJ Murphy actually took 8th grade English before going to the TXARNG.
NOTE: MAJ Murphy was evidently born in the hamlet of ONIONVILLE, Hunt County, TX, spent his early boyhood there & after his father deserted the family, he lived in at least 6 different towns before joining the TXARNG. = Mrs. Murphy, Audie & his sisters all did farm "stoop labor" to keep eating regularly & followed the "picking season", wherever they could get work. His mother also was sometimes employed as a housemaid for various people. (Life was always difficult for the family, until Audie went onto AD & started sending money home.)
When I copy/post that letter to the forum, we can all have a big HORSE LAUGH at your expense, "Mr. Knowitall".
yours, tex
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Personally for buffalo I prefer a quality expensive British side by side rifle in 22 LR regulated for 74 yard shots. I have read that a bullets effectiveness on buffalo increases by x ❌ pi raised to the tenth power where x represents the price of the rifle. Folks only willing to fork over enough money for a 10-22 to hunt buffalo will most likely be stompled to death by wounded buffalos.
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chlinstructor,
PITY that I've "caught you IN" at least a few "mistakes of fact" OR more likely in KNOWING LIES. = Tell everyone what your excuse will be when I next go to Mother's home, make a Xerox of the letter that MAJ (He was then a 2LT, USAR.) Murphy wrote from a hospital in USAREUR to my mother at Christmas 1944, when he was recovering from a bullet wound to the hip. = The letter is 5 handwritten pages long & mentions mother teaching him English. (Mother never taught 5th Grade or any other elementary grade.) My guess is that MAJ Murphy actually took 8th grade English before going to the TXARNG.
NOTE: MAJ Murphy was evidently born in the hamlet of ONIONVILLE, Hunt County, TX, spent his early boyhood there & after his father deserted the family, he lived in at least 6 different towns before joining the TXARNG. = Mrs. Murphy, Audie & his sisters all did farm "stoop labor" to keep eating regularly & followed the "picking season", wherever they could get work. His mother also was sometimes employed as a housemaid for various people. (Life was always difficult for the family, until Audie went onto AD & started sending money home.)
When I copy/post that letter to the forum, we can all have a big HORSE LAUGH at your expense, "Mr. Knowitall".
yours, tex We will all be holding our breaths awaiting your “post”
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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Heres a little help so you can get your “story” straight. The problem with most liars is not being able to remember what they said in the first place. OrangeOkie,
Fwiw, there a few flaws in the article about MAJ Murphy (He made Major in the TXARNG) was that the ARMY, NAVY, USAAC & the Marines turned him down, as "unsuitable for military service". = He WAS allowed to join the 3/144th Infantry Regiment, TXARNG & when he attended basic training, he was allowed to enlist in the Active Army for a period "of the World War plus 6 months". (After he received the MoH, I've wondered how embarrassed that all of the people must have been to NOT have accepted THE MOST DECORATED soldier of WWII into their branch of service because of "unsuitability".)
When he was released from AD with the US Army, 1LT Murphy returned to the TXARNG, was promoted to Captain & later to Major. (He was a Major at retirement from the Texas Guard. - We of the 3/144th Infantry are VERY PROUD of his valor & service, whether AD or ARNG and that he was "one of ours".
Btw, my mother taught Audie (8th Grade English) & all of his sisters (Vocational Home Economics) when she taught school in Elysian Fields. - (After Mother passed away at age 99YO in SEP 2016, we found a long letter from 2LT Murphy in Mother's Bible, that he wrote her just before Christmas 1944 & while he was hospitalized in an Army hospital with a severe bullet-wound to his hip. = 2LT Murphy said in the "Christmas letter" that he had received an appointment to WEST POINT & that he was eager to be a WPMA cadet & looked forward to being a Career Army Officer. - As his luck would have it, his wound never healed sufficiently to allow him to attend West Point & in early 1945 he was released from active Army service for "disability" BUT he never received a service-connected disability check, as far as I can find out.)
yours, tex
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"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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More recent... .450 Howell using a 350 grain Speer. Exit... Ken, you messed up the 'front' shoulder ! Jerry Yup.
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The old blue 40 grain XLC is the bullet of choice for those who know ...
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At some distance, a 223 Rem is nothing more than a 22 Hornet. And at some distance, the 22 Hornet is less powerful than a 22 LR.
So, just get close with your 22 LR. Probably would use a high-velocity copper-plated solid bullet ( not HP) to ensure deep penetration to the vitals. It goes without saying, but, shot placement is everything.
In that regard, the 223 may be Overkill. You can't kill them deader than dead. Don't get me going on the 223 AI or 6.5 Creedmore.
Maybe you guide can use them for back-up rifles.
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I am..........disturbed.
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Give me a buffalo and some Barnes 62 TTSX and I'll go for it!
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Don't be wastin' those fancy bullets, 5.56 ball will do the trick.
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