So my wife has struggled with accurately and reliably shooting a pistol but has seemed to do exceptionally well with an ar. I would like to put one together for her to keep at the house. Im considering 5.556 or 300 blackout with 10.5 or 16" barrels. Thoughts on muzzle blast, over penetration, recoil, barrel lengths and caliber pros and cons etc.? Thanks
Probably not what you want to hear, but for in house SD there isn't a better platform than a shotgun loaded with mid size shot, say #4-#6. I like a pump, YMMV. If you can't whack a bad boy with 5 shots, well, I don't know what to say. Ladies and 20 bores go together like divorce and lawyers.
The ranges are very short in a house, walls are thin and the last thing you want to do is kill someone in an adjacent room accidentally.
I am..........disturbed.
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Probably not what you want to hear, but for in house SD there isn't a better platform than a shotgun loaded with mid size shot, say #4-#6. I like a pump, YMMV. If you can't whack a bad boy with 5 shots, well, I don't know what to say. Ladies and 20 bores go together like divorce and lawyers.
The ranges are very short in a house, walls are thin and the last thing you want to do is kill someone in an adjacent room accidentally.
Great advise there!
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A 10.5" 300 BO with a can is the [bleep] nitz for this application.
SIG Romeo 5 on top, two mags, 200+ grain projectiles.
Done and done.
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
The ranges are very short in a house, walls are thin and the last thing you want to do is kill someone in an adjacent room accidentally.
That's solved by discipline and fire control, not by ammo selection.
IMHO (because I've never faced a home invasion), the ability to place precise fire or to defeat body armor or accurately place fire on a target that is not armored (face, etc.) is most important.
Muscle memory is important, too. Mrs. Walter has a Sig 228, because that's her duty weapon and she runs it very well. I have an AR in 6.5 Grendel with a 12" barrel and a can because I've been running ARs for 40 years or so.
If she runs ARs well, stay on that platform and adapt.
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I've only shot a 22 LR can indoors and it was still freaking loud. You guys ever shot indoors with a centerfire can? How was it?
Personally, I'm gonna grab whatever is closest and say "what?" For the rest of my life, it'd be better than that being the end of my life trying to grab a particular gun. (I have several stashed around the house but sadly still no shower gun)
Probably not what you want to hear, but for in house SD there isn't a better platform than a shotgun loaded with mid size shot, say #4-#6. I like a pump, YMMV. If you can't whack a bad boy with 5 shots, well, I don't know what to say. Ladies and 20 bores go together like divorce and lawyers.
The ranges are very short in a house, walls are thin and the last thing you want to do is kill someone in an adjacent room accidentally.
Great advise there!
Yes, great advice.
FWIW, compared to a rifle, is easy on the ears indoors
IF your ammo selection can't penetrate a little drywall, how can you expect it to penetrate enough bad guy to stop the threat? Bird shot is for birds.
I like a shotgun, but an AR will be way easier to handle, less recoil for follow ups, has more rounds on tap, and there is a plethora of options to make it work. A can might be a good option, but it'll make it longer.
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#6 shot barely penetrates the chest cavity of pheasants. Heads, necks legs and wings, no problem, but if it is not penetrating chest cavities on a bird, I am skeptical on how it will perform on a human. Of course those birds are being shot at 20-40 yards. With turkey and #4 or 5 shot, you need a head shot for a kill.
At indoor close range, how far does bird shot disperse? is it really that hard to miss? If I am using a shotgun for home defense, it will be loaded with buck shot.
I'm thinking a ball of #6 shot will go through 2 layers of gyp board in a new york second at across the room distance. If I can find some drywall scraps in the neighborhood, I will test it as a 4th of July project. After all isn't FREEDOM what the 4th is all about?
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I'm thinking a ball of #6 shot will go through 2 layers of gyp board in a new york second at across the room distance. If I can find some drywall scraps in the neighborhood, I will test it as a 4th of July project. After all isn't FREEDOM what the 4th is all about?
I think this has been tried before:
Skip forward to the meat targets.
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Probably not what you want to hear, but for in house SD there isn't a better platform than a shotgun loaded with mid size shot, say #4-#6. I like a pump, YMMV. If you can't whack a bad boy with 5 shots, well, I don't know what to say. Ladies and 20 bores go together like divorce and lawyers.
The ranges are very short in a house, walls are thin and the last thing you want to do is kill someone in an adjacent room accidentally.
My recommendation as well.
The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part!
A 10.5" 300 BO with a can is the [bleep] nitz for this application.
SIG Romeo 5 on top, two mags, 200+ grain projectiles.
Done and done.
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
The ranges are very short in a house, walls are thin and the last thing you want to do is kill someone in an adjacent room accidentally.
That's solved by discipline and fire control, not by ammo selection.
IMHO (because I've never faced a home invasion), the ability to place precise fire or to defeat body armor or accurately place fire on a target that is not armored (face, etc.) is most important.
Muscle memory is important, too. Mrs. Walter has a Sig 228, because that's her duty weapon and she runs it very well. I have an AR in 6.5 Grendel with a 12" barrel and a can because I've been running ARs for 40 years or so.
If she runs ARs well, stay on that platform and adapt.
The normal housewife isn't gong to be able to place precise fire on a target in a tense situation like this. She'll be luck to pick up the weapon with a can on it and hold it reasonably still enough to even hit a wall. A sawed off 20 gauge pump or semi auto is much better IMO.
The lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part!
A 10.5" 300 BO with a can is the [bleep] nitz for this application.
SIG Romeo 5 on top, two mags, 200+ grain projectiles.
Done and done.
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
The ranges are very short in a house, walls are thin and the last thing you want to do is kill someone in an adjacent room accidentally.
That's solved by discipline and fire control, not by ammo selection.
IMHO (because I've never faced a home invasion), the ability to place precise fire or to defeat body armor or accurately place fire on a target that is not armored (face, etc.) is most important.
Muscle memory is important, too. Mrs. Walter has a Sig 228, because that's her duty weapon and she runs it very well. I have an AR in 6.5 Grendel with a 12" barrel and a can because I've been running ARs for 40 years or so.
If she runs ARs well, stay on that platform and adapt.
The normal housewife isn't gong to be able to place precise fire on a target in a tense situation like this. She'll be luck to pick up the weapon with a can on it and hold it reasonably still enough to even hit a wall. A sawed off 20 gauge pump or semi auto is much better IMO.
Round for round, a shotgun with 00 buck is hard to beat, but there's a cost to the power..... recoil.
Well, we don't rent pigs, and it's better to say it right up front because a man who does like to rent pigs is — well, he's hard to stop.
