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I look forward to this event. I think it can be extremely productive.
We would like to do something for those of you who are participating in this Leupold Live Event.
All orders we receive for Leupold Optics, Wednesday July 10th through Thursday at noon, July 11th, we will include a Camera Land gift card of $20.00 per $100.00 spent (so if you spend $800.00 you'll get a $160.00 Gift Card) good towards a future purchase. This is an extra bonus from Leupold and Camera Land to thank you for your input during this exclusive event..
I look forward to it. Thanks to Leupold for wading into the fray, and to Doug for making it happen. Kudos all around.
I am going to make this a Global Announcement. That will disable this thread in terms of further discussion, so we should continue that on the other thread, linked here:
"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated." Thomas Paine
Anyone that expected they were going to admit there are problems with their products is delusional. That's simply not how one survives in the corporate world.
Way back when in the days of Quality programs, the mantra was, "Quality means meeting customer expectations, not goodness". IOW, as long as the customer thinks he's getting his money's worth, it's a quality product. As long as enough people keep buying Leupold stuff based on reputation and tradition, there's no incentive for them to make any changes. As has been said repeatedly here, they know all about the stuff they sell, and are sticking to the program. Maybe there's a bunch of secret scurrying around in their engineering department working on the problems with their stuff, but I kinda doubt it, and ain't taking any expensive chances when there's plenty of other good products to choose from.
Thanks to Doug and all those who endured the presentation and produced the Cliff Notes version for the rest of us.
I believe Vortex has the largest market share now.
You underestimate the influence and reach that members of the 24HCF have. Not only are the comments forever online and available for numerous less-informed "lurkers" to peruse and digest, but members here tend to be considered a "resident guru" among their local social groups. Word of mouth travels fast when it's coming from someone who people view as credible...
The last few years I have seen a lot of local hunters in my neck of the woods showing up with Vortex products when they want to spend some money on something more "advanced" than normal. It's typically Nikon if they are operating on more of a budget. Most of the Leupold buyers I know have quite a bit of gray hair now and buy them because they've always bought them, but they are only shooting maybe a box of shells a year through those rifles.
The fact that Vortex has taken the market share in just a few short years should be a serious wake-up call.......
Why? They have covered most of the sports optics spectrum, built a plant to make a 100% "made in USA" line, and reward salespeople for pushing their line. Seems like savy marketing to me.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
While I did not hear much in-depth technical info, I did pick up a few tidbits. (nothing startling) I thought their marketing guy was just that (I did not hear a lot of in-depth product knowledge from him, though I think he has the background to have that knowledge) and their technical supervisor gave the impression of being not too happy about being there. Probably a one on one with him would open up a wealth of info and I believe he wants to help customers. (but not spend much time listening to a b!tch session) The opening spiel could have been viewed as perhaps condescending, though I doubt they intended it that way. I will continue to buy/use their scopes, probably due to being a set and forget kind of shooter/hunter.
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