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Easy on the ears ain't it George?

And WAY to practical.

Yep, quiet - no hearing protection.
Components - cheap
No jams
Fool proof loading
Long pouch-life
No sight adjustments
Will not over-penetrate

Cons:
Will not stop a charge.
May irritate an adversary.....😮😀

Seriously, I believe a big-mouthed, repeating, short-barreled shotgun to have a very sobering effect; if it’s beyond that stage, it will seriously affect the unsobered.

finally some sanity, now we have it all, from 20mm cannon to pen knife.

I would not recommend the 20mm Vulcan. It's loud and the recoil is bothersome. AP rounds will over penetrate and HE has a blast radius that is not compatible with the average home.

Laughing!.................

I enjoy these conversations, Digital its evident that we all have our individual ideas, points of view, and eccentricities. While many might scoff at a 22 LR auto loader with 10 rounds in it, another person might find that its the only thing they shoot well, the 22 LR HP is quite lethal over and over again in news stories over my lifetime, but so are many other weapons. All joshing and baiting of fellow campfire members aside, if pressed a 22/45 lite would make do the 22LR is a lethal round, and admittedly I am probably more accurate with a 22 auto loader than any other pistol I own as I probably flinch, and I admit this. However I admit to liking the Glock 19 with an insight systems light and laser with 124 grain HST cartridges, and I have a reasonable amount of skill with the AR pattern rifles equipped with a red dot. All things considered even a tomahawk is better in the hands of a determined individual who knows how to use a tomahawk than an AR15 in the hands of someone who struggles to find the safety on it.

That’s why I posted the link to the spear, satire. Now if the perp was armed, it might not work out to well.

I like the spear!

Personally I have a machete closest to me at night.

You should change your handle to "Chopper".

Blades have their place in the defense arsenal. During the middle ages, it was the spear, not the sword that was king of the battle field.

Kinda funny but kinda not. At one time finances were real skinny. My home defense "set" was a short Ruger Single Six with the .22 mag cylinder and a 1900-s vintage falling axe with about 10 inches of cutting edge. Stick your hand through MY window and you might leave but your hand and any other body parts beyond the window sill would not.

So far as home defense, I think there's a lot to be said for a pistol caliber carbine. We don't always have time to grab ear muffs. I'm not saying my AR is loud, mind you, but a buddy runs cows about 3 miles up the hill from the rifle range. One day at work he commented on how much noise was coming from the range. He said whatever it was he heard was quite a bit louder than the regular hunting rifles. We talked about day and time ... that noise was me with a Ruger MPR testing loads. Worth some consideration, I think.

Tom

Detect/delay the intrusion.

A direct hit from 00 buckshot out of a 12 or 20 gauge will instantly incapacitate a human inside of 10 yards . If the fight spills into the yard an AR may be a better choice . I don't worry about over penetration through sheetrock walls , that actually plays into my strategy in a home invasion . I don't have any close neighbors just me , woman and dogs here .
Some will argue that a AR is better because it's what they have trained with and that's a good reason . They are better off using what they are familiar with .

Confrontations in the home, several types. A burglary where no one was thought to be home, or the worst would be an armed/no weapon confrontation where the perp is going to do you harm in a robbery or assault.

The type that knowingly breaks into your home with the owners in the house is the most dangerous by far, kill or be killed scenario. Most burglars will run like hell when they are confronted with or without a weapon.

Be prepared, go ahead and dig the hole.

What do you base this statement on?

This thread has gotten off on a rabbit trail. If I were setting one up for my wife I'd do a short barrel, AR pistol w/ suppressor. Either caliber mentioned has merit. In 5.56 I'd go with Black Hills 77grOTM, in the .300BO I'd still have to do some homework. I'd also consider the .300Ham'r. More than worrying about hearing damage I'd worry about terminal performance. A red dot or reflex sight and a weapon light with a pressure switch would also be on my list. Functional familiarity is key regardless of what weapon is chosen. Under the stress of this type of confrontation, people break down to whatever level of training they've practiced to. Muscle memory and function will rule the day. Given the amount of practice I'd lean toward the 5.56.

Reality. Any load of shot will do that inside 10 yards. Hell's bells, #3 will do this at 25 yards.............

From wiki:

306 Pellets Winchester 20 gauge 2¾" #7½ Shot 1275 ft/s 1382 ft⋅lbf

55 (3.5 g) Nosler ballistic tip .223 3,240 ft/s (990 m/s) 1,282 ft⋅lbf




Normal 20 gauge birdshot loads come in at about 1275 foot-pounds. A youth model 870 in 20 gauge points like a wand even for my petite wife. Inside you average living room it will suffice.

If noise was really a concern then a suppressor would be a consideration.

Well Form pretty much described me as I am over 50 and always thought a shotgun loaded with #2 would be an awesome home defense gun.

As I am trying to educate myself, what ammo in 5.56 would you recommend for an AR?