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It is the language used in the law you previously cited. I don't know how CA defines it. If a lane is too narrow to accommodate a cyclist riding about 2 feet from the curb or fog line and a car passing at a safe distance, then it is generally considered too narrow to share.

You think Schofield Pass is bad you should check out Mt Blanca. There is another 4 wheel drive road that is absolutely nuts in terms of how steep it is, but I can't remember the name.

Red Cone maybe?

We did the Holy Cross trail probably 20 year ago now and that is some gorgeous country too.

Ok, so our logic is similar. So that equates to any lane 10.5-11.5 feet wide or less. (5 foot wide car, 2-3 foot margin for safety, 3 foot wide cyclist, 2 feet from tire to edge of road. Again, should there be obstacles/right turns, cyclists exceeding the speed of traffic... then the cyclist has no need to abide by "as far to the right as practicable".

So justify cyclists saying they should take the lane if it's narrower than 14 feet. This, in instances when none of the exceptions to cvc 21202 apply. Doing so because "it feelz dangerous if i don't take the lane"

Oh, just realized you said two feet from the fog line. Nope, sorry. There's no mention of "fog line" in the regulation. And here's why: There are shoulders here that are 4 feet wide or more, no obstructions or debris whatsoever. Absolutely zero justification for riding outside them unless 21202 exceptions apply. And yet, there are the pair of riders, two up, chatting away, with one outside the shoulder by a couple feet. Becuz "I need to take the lane for safety". Some cyclists don't use a god shoulder because there "may be debris." In my mind that puts them outside the hazard exception. It is for real not potential hazards.

Schofield is no big deal.
That ain't Schofield, it's Crystal Canyon. And it's pretty bad in places.

I thought that was Gothic Mountain, beautiful area, and one that is as
well suited to bikes as any. Used to hunt that area every year. Time/expense
kept me away for awhile. Now, I just can't justify the cost, it's gotten outrageous.
Not that I can't, now. Just won't. License alone cost darn near as much as my
total cost in 1988, including 12 nights in a cabin.

1988 we were hunting the 12 day season.
We took a day to basically ride around see what there was to see,
and maybe a different place to hunt. I was a 19 year old, in the back of a Toyota with a cap.
There was another guy in the back, two up front.

We went over the pass, down through the meadow past the little cabin, and past the
signs saying experienced 4-wheelers with properly equipped vehicles only.
A little way in it was narrow, with a drop on one side, the road cut into the rock wall
And a solid wall on the other. Then we came to the boulder in the road. Not wanting to back
out, and figuring we would be fine on the other side, we got out and guided the truck around.
Barely!

The road was mostly like #4 or 6 stone, and much of it was so narrow the guys up front couldn't
get out. There were vehicles rolled down into the canyon that couldn't be recovered,
and one had to ponder the fate of the passengers. After the worst, there is an old
mill, near Marble, Google it. There was a little store at a crossroad, nothing else.
We stopped to get a drink, and ask an old man the best way back to Crested Butte or
Gunnison. He looked at us a bit, and said, "Well how did you get here".
We just said down this road. He looked at us again, and said "Boys, I won't go through there
on anything but a horse".

Some of our group were behind us, and tried to go through in an F-250. The driver
drove trucks and well drilling rigs his whole life. They couldn't get around the boulder,
and had to back probably a mile or more back out. Those passengers wouldn't ride.
Said someone had to live to tell the story.

We stayed at Lost Canyon Resort, just cabins.
Telling the owner about our ride, he shared the story of a family that tried to go through
there in a full size Bronco or Blazer. It went over in the Devil's Punchbowl, the driver bailed
as it slid off the road. He lived, his family didn't.


If you remember the Snuffy Smith road above Emerald Lake, in the '90's, a truck driver
tried to go through that road in an 18 wheeler. He got hung up there, and was stuck for
days. They finally had to bring in cranes to hoist him out. If he had gotten through,
He was looking to go through the canyon to Aspen.

How many of the bike complainers on this thread are overweight/out of shape and should actually ride a bike once in a while?

Ok, so our logic is similar. So that equates to any lane 10.5-11.5 feet wide or less. (5 foot wide car, 2-3 foot margin for safety, 3 foot wide cyclist, 2 feet from tire to edge of road. Again, should there be obstacles/right turns, cyclists exceeding the speed of traffic... then the cyclist has no need to abide by "as far to the right as practicable".

So justify cyclists saying they should take the lane if it's narrower than 14 feet. This, in instances when none of the exceptions to cvc 21202 apply. Doing so because "it feelz dangerous if i don't take the lane"

Oh, just realized you said two feet from the fog line. Nope, sorry. There's no mention of "fog line" in the regulation. And here's why: There are shoulders here that are 4 feet wide or more, no obstructions or debris whatsoever. Absolutely zero justification for riding outside them unless 21202 exceptions apply. And yet, there are the pair of riders, two up, chatting away, with one outside the shoulder by a couple feet. Becuz "I need to take the lane for safety".

Bicyclists have a death wish and arrogance that needs controlled. The camera is wide angle and the distances are deceiving. This is a highway with a legal speed limit of 70 MPH. The truck in the oncoming lane is also doing 60-70 MPH and if you count the centerlines, it gives you a better idea of just how close he is and at this speed doesn't allow you to swerve over into the oncoming lane to avoid the cyclist. the cyclist is a better target than a semi truck. This is the rule, not the exception...

You need to get tangled up with RABRAI

Damn rumble strips. That'd be an ideal shoulder if it didn't have them. What difficulty did you experience in seeing or negotiating your way around that cyclist? I am reckoning I could see him on that road from a mile away, and it's not like traffic density is such that I couldn't easily pass him.