|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 6,860 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
OP
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 6,860 Likes: 2 |
I've owned a number of 6.5s over the years including the 260 Rem. Comparing the ballistics to the 6.5 C, I really don't see what the fuss is all about with the Creedmoor, on paper, they look about the same. Can someone educate me as to why the Creedmoor is all everyone talks about these days?
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,673
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,673 |
Honey, fire up the popcorn popper.
'Four legs good, two legs baaaad." ---------------------------------------------- "Jimmy, some of it's magic, Some of it's tragic, But I had a good life all the way." (Jimmy Buffett)
SotG
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,673
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,673 |
Short version: Creedmoor has a shorter case with almost the same capacity as the .260 so it can utilize longer, higher BC bullets in a short action.
'Four legs good, two legs baaaad." ---------------------------------------------- "Jimmy, some of it's magic, Some of it's tragic, But I had a good life all the way." (Jimmy Buffett)
SotG
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,003
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 3,003 |
Hornady did an awesome job of marketing, including offering load data that would shoot in most any decent barrel. Remington, on the other hand, did not.
Living in a world of G17s and 700s, wishing for P7s and 202s
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 19,762 Likes: 16
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Apr 2017
Posts: 19,762 Likes: 16 |
"Maybe we're all happy."
"Go to the sporting goods store. From the files, obtain form 4473. These will contain descriptions of weapons and lists of private ownership."
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 8,073
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 8,073 |
Creedmoors are like fishing lures. Some catch more fishermen than fish. Hasbeen
hasbeen (Better a has been than a never was!)
NRA Patron member Try to live your life where the preacher doesn't have to lie at your funeral
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 |
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 12,159
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 12,159 |
Finally someone comes up with an original topic on the Campfire.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 17,247 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 17,247 Likes: 1 |
Merits of the 260 vs 6.5CM? Hmmm..... Anybody think Romney has what it takes to beat Obama?
Now with even more aplomb
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,202
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,202 |
Creedmoors are like fishing lures. Some catch more fishermen than fish. Hasbeen Just like all of the past "super" rounds (204 Ruger is an example), marketed by the magazine writers and the herd follows.
Last edited by WTF; 07/18/19.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,704
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 1,704 |
This going to be interesting due to the fact that there are many informed reloaders on this board. I own two 6.5 firearms. One is a 260AI on a Remington 700 mountain rifle and a 260AI on an XP-100R platform. Now, this is approx. 5% larger than the standard 260 cartridge. But, accuracy is incredible. Now, as for the 6.5 Creedmore, 260 and 260AI, there is relatively the same water volume for each with approx. 5% difference. IMHO, I believe it all comes down to marketing. MTG
Last edited by MTGunner; 07/18/19.
Vena dura, ocyus occide, excusas non offer!
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 23,053 Likes: 7
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 23,053 Likes: 7 |
WTF: IF... YOU are inferring that the 204 Ruger is NOT an exceptional cartridge (and it appears that you are!) in virtually every respect, then you simply DO NOT know what you are blathering about! The 204 Ruger is one of the finest cartridges EVER invented and I thank the "magazine writers" for alerting me to its merits and performance. I currently own and shoot 7 (seven!) Varmint Rifles in caliber 204 Ruger and each and every one of them is VERY accurate and the cartridge never ceases to amaze me in the field with its superb performance there as well. Your contentions regarding the 204 Ruger and "shooters" and gun writers" I consider to be blather and balderdash - nothing more nothing less. Long live the 204 Ruger. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,398
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,398 |
Many folks don't care for Glocks either. Too useful.
mike r
Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,202
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,202 |
WTF: IF... YOU are inferring that the 204 Ruger is NOT an exceptional cartridge (and it appears that you are!) in virtually every respect, then you simply DO NOT know what you are blathering about! The 204 Ruger is one of the finest cartridges EVER invented and I thank the "magazine writers" for alerting me to its merits and performance. I currently own and shoot 7 (seven!) Varmint Rifles in caliber 204 Ruger and each and every one of them is VERY accurate and the cartridge never ceases to amaze me in the field with its superb performance there as well. Your contentions regarding the 204 Ruger and "shooters" and gun writers" I consider to be blather and balderdash - nothing more nothing less. Long live the 204 Ruger. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy Sorry about that, I didnt realize that it made your coffee for you in the morning.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,910
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,910 |
Unless one is trying to shoot long, VLD type bullets in a short action, there is no advantage of one or the other.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,738
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,738 |
The 6.5 Creed is a slightly modified 260-- so-- an answer looking for a question--
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 20,824
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 20,824 |
3" magazine box go with a 260
2.8" magazine box go with the Creedmoor
Originally Posted by Judman PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,951 Likes: 5
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,951 Likes: 5 |
With 130 gr or lighter bullets the 260 has a slight edge. Target shooters wanted to shoot LONG 140-150 gr bullets and found that they the long bullets took up too much powder space if seated deep enough to fit standard 260 magazines or chambers reducing usable powder space. Plus the barrels were not twisted right. The solution was custom built 260's with correctly twisted barrels, long throats, and modified magazines. Hand loaded ammo was loaded to much longer OAL than standard. Make those modifications to a 260 and it does everything a 6.5 CM does.
The 6.5 CM just does the same thing with off the shelf rifles and ammo.
Most people don't really want the truth.
They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 32,229
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 32,229 |
Unless one is trying to shoot long, VLD type bullets in a short action, there is no advantage of one or the other. I was an early user of the 260, my first, a Model 7 SS was booked into my FFL on 10/14/97. The perfect rifle for me, but nobody, retail or wholesale, had any ammo. Necessity being the mother of invention, I bought a set of dies, 100 Winchester/Olin 243 cases, some projectiles from Hornady and Nosler, and reread Ken Waters' article onf the 263 Express. I knew from experience loading for the 6.5x55 and 6.5-284 that the 129 grain Hornady SpirePoint was an accurate hunting bullet and so it was. In either late 1997 or early 1998 I was finally able to get a few boxes of Remington 140 grain factory ammo. Talk about disappointing performance! I was getting around 2,500 fps from a 20" barrel and while I didn't expect it to reach 3,000 fps with a 140 grain bullet, I did think that somewhere between 2,700 and 2,800 fps was doable. I bought the ammo off a dealer's shelf and got ammo from 3 different lots, all of which were slower than expected. As noted previously, Hornady did a great job launching and supporting the 6.5 Creedmoor and Remington did a really poor job launching the 260. Remington's launch and support was so poor, I have to wonder if someone at Remington purposely made all the wrong choices whenever there was a choice to be made. The other tangible advantage that the 6.5 Creedmoor has over the 260 is the wide variety of factory ammo from multiple manufacturers that is priced as low as $14 per box at Wal-Mart. I've never seen a box of 260 ammo at a Wal-Mart, never. EDIT: As launched and for many years afterward, Remington made their 260s with a 1-9" ROT, marginal for many bullets weighing over 130 grains.
Last edited by 260Remguy; 07/18/19. Reason: Added comment
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 24,564 Likes: 16
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 24,564 Likes: 16 |
Merits of the 260 vs 6.5CM? Hmmm..... Anybody think Romney has what it takes to beat Obama? Haaaaaa ha I have 3 creedmoors none shoot MOA , 5 - 260's 2 lever action,, #1 ,, xp-100 , and a double barrel all shoot 1/4 moa in any conditions when i do my part .
PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
|
|
|
|
528 members (1lessdog, 160user, 22250rem, 01Foreman400, 1badf350, 1Longbow, 50 invisible),
2,145
guests, and
1,147
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,237
Posts18,504,505
Members73,994
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|